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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 13:50:26 GMT -5
There's been a lot of discussion about how our scouting rules (you can't scout once the draft timer starts) is going to fuck us because people with 1.1 picks are refusing to draft until the timer. To make people pick starting Sim 8 I propose a 12 hour draft timer. This would allow the first 12-20 picks to be able to scout players for the draft retaining scouting. It also gives everyone ample opportunity to search for trades for their pick.
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Post by skrouse on Feb 1, 2021 13:52:41 GMT -5
No, I'm team drafting early is 100% optional
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Post by Odin on Feb 1, 2021 13:52:46 GMT -5
12 hours is too long
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Post by jhb on Feb 1, 2021 13:56:09 GMT -5
smfh can't wait until everyone not drafting early realizes that we're now going to have to slam a 29 team draft into one day the way the schedule is set up
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Post by Odin on Feb 1, 2021 13:56:48 GMT -5
smfh can't wait until everyone not drafting early realizes that we're now going to have to slam a 29 team draft into one day the way the schedule is set up but muh resignings!!! |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Feb 1, 2021 13:56:50 GMT -5
Why in the world would we have an early timer?
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Post by Odin on Feb 1, 2021 13:57:39 GMT -5
Why in the world would we have an early timer? so we hit that beautiful 18 day season cycle so people can scout |
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Post by Soup on Feb 1, 2021 13:58:29 GMT -5
Why in the world would we have an early timer? because odin in particular is a child and has zero patience. |
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Post by Majic on Feb 1, 2021 13:58:47 GMT -5
I am not sure a timer is the answer but I do think we need to re-look at the scouting rule.
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Post by jhb on Feb 1, 2021 13:58:49 GMT -5
We don't just casually draft until everyone decides to come on and make their picks anymore.
FA is scheduled to start 48 hours after the playoffs are over.
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Post by Soup on Feb 1, 2021 13:59:32 GMT -5
I am not sure a timer is the answer but I do think we need to re-look at the scouting rule. this is 100% the correct answer |
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Post by Odin on Feb 1, 2021 13:59:51 GMT -5
Why in the world would we have an early timer? because odin in particular is a child and has zero patience. you know damn well i'm not the only one with this opinion, i'm just the loudest |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Feb 1, 2021 14:03:13 GMT -5
Why in the world would we have an early timer? so we hit that beautiful 18 day season cycle so people can scout Sounds like we push the draft out, extend scouting, and have a 21 day cycle instead. |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Feb 1, 2021 14:03:29 GMT -5
because odin in particular is a child and has zero patience. you know damn well i'm not the only one with this opinion, i'm just the loudest You're clearly the most upset. |
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Post by TinyTimPig on Feb 1, 2021 14:05:08 GMT -5
38-hour timer on all picks
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Post by Odin on Feb 1, 2021 14:05:54 GMT -5
38-hour timer on all picks i really wish i remembered this reference. something to do with ank? |
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Post by TinyTimPig on Feb 1, 2021 14:09:08 GMT -5
38-hour timer on all picks i really wish i remembered this reference. something to do with ank? Ank and Collin Sexton. |
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Post by bankz on Feb 1, 2021 14:09:51 GMT -5
I think we need to rethink the entire offseason schedule.
A timer in week 8 is an absolute non starter
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Post by Majic on Feb 1, 2021 14:12:01 GMT -5
I am not sure a timer is the answer but I do think we need to re-look at the scouting rule. this is 100% the correct answer Sounds like we push the draft out, extend scouting, and have a 21 day cycle instead. Personally speaking, I am OK with the draft taking a tad longer in order to make scouting easier. Dont get me wrong I love the pace we move at, but sometimes an extra day or two wouldnt hurt. Especially if it gives people the ability to scout easier. |
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Post by skrouse on Feb 1, 2021 14:14:05 GMT -5
Can someone remind me what the scouting issue is exactly? I feel out of the loop
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Post by Odin on Feb 1, 2021 14:15:11 GMT -5
Can someone remind me what the scouting issue is exactly? I feel out of the loop no scouting after the draft officially starts. some gms don't want to pick until the season is over, so no one who picks after them would be able to scout. |
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Post by skrouse on Feb 1, 2021 14:17:33 GMT -5
Can someone remind me what the scouting issue is exactly? I feel out of the loop . some gms don't want to pick until the season is over, so no one who picks after them would be able to scout. Sounds like we need to move scouting up, if eric is ok with that. Then getting the draft to start early may happen naturally. |
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Post by TinyTimPig on Feb 1, 2021 14:22:05 GMT -5
no scouting after the draft officially starts. some gms don't want to pick until the season is over, so no one who picks after them would be able to scout. Sounds like we need to move scouting up, if eric is ok with that. Then getting the draft to start early may happen naturally. When you say "move scouting up," does that mean make scouting available earlier in the year? If so, I don't think it's fair to ask eric to have the draft classes built even earlier. I think he has a schedule he likes where he can build them and test them when it makes sense for him and not during other busy sim days (we already know he doesn't like adding additional tasks to sim 1, upgrade sims, etc.). It also doesn't solve the problem for those who want to wait to see resignings and retirings before drafting. |
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Post by skrouse on Feb 1, 2021 14:23:48 GMT -5
When you say "move scouting up," does that mean make scouting available earlier in the year? If so, I don't think it's fair to ask eric to have the draft classes built even earlier. Ah ok, I didn't realize he normally didn't have them built by sim 8. I thought releasing the grades meant it was done. |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Feb 1, 2021 14:25:16 GMT -5
I've never experienced the 18-day season, so I'm not at all bothered by a longer offseason to accommodate people managing, generally speaking, their teams based on the information that should be available to them going into the draft.
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Post by TinyTimPig on Feb 1, 2021 14:25:30 GMT -5
When you say "move scouting up," does that mean make scouting available earlier in the year? If so, I don't think it's fair to ask eric to have the draft classes built even earlier. Ah ok, I didn't realize he normally didn't have them built by sim 8. I thought releasing the grades meant it was done. He does have them built when the draft file is posted. I'm guessing he probably has them built around sim 6 or 7 so he can run a few tests, but if we want to make the file available earlier, the other steps that come before also have to be done earlier as well, and then we start running into putting too much on eric's plate. |
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Post by 20s on Feb 1, 2021 14:25:50 GMT -5
An 18 day cycle does not sound healthy
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Post by eric on Feb 1, 2021 14:26:20 GMT -5
i don't think an in-season timer is a good idea
i think extending the draft period from one to two days given how reticent so many returners are to in-season drafting is a good idea. there's absolutely no reason to go longer than that, so we won't. gms are encouraged to send lists
the issue with post-timer scouting is inevitably that someone will try to get in touch with me to get their scouts and i won't get back to them for whatever reason, it just creates friction between GM and commissioner (and GM and other GMs) for no reason. alternatives:
-20s has suggested some kind of interface that automatically completes the transaction. if someone can build something like that and i can investigate its inner workings that would be great
-we have experience now with mass stat reveals in the creation draft, we could expand and adjust that system to rookie drafts
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Post by 20s on Feb 1, 2021 14:27:25 GMT -5
When you say "move scouting up," does that mean make scouting available earlier in the year? If so, I don't think it's fair to ask eric to have the draft classes built even earlier. Ah ok, I didn't realize he normally didn't have them built by sim 8. I thought releasing the grades meant it was done. He does and you can scout starting when it is posted. The issue people are referencing is, if they are pick 9, they don't want to spend money scouting until they know who is on the clock for their pick. I have no opinion on this issue, other than people can do what they please within the rules. |
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Post by bankz on Feb 1, 2021 14:29:43 GMT -5
I think scouting should be open after the trade deadline.
I think the draft shouldn’t officially start till after resigning but allow the option for slow draft if a GM is inclined to do so.
Not sure if that’s our setup but I believe that should be the setup
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