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Post by Dirt on May 11, 2021 22:07:10 GMT -5
You may have missed us but now were back again...B-D Productions bring to you the 3006 off-season outlook and discuss the FA results. Also, don't forget to like and subscribe sim leaguers. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug7p1SJL_q0 |
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Post by IanBoyd on May 11, 2021 23:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by Druce on May 12, 2021 7:52:16 GMT -5
totally agree re: wheel and getting stuck in no mans land etc. see: mavs, blazers, warriors, et. al
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Post by Soup on May 12, 2021 8:01:30 GMT -5
totally agree re: wheel and getting stuck in no mans land etc. see: mavs, blazers, warriors, et. al and compound it with we were told ad nauseum how weak draft classes would be under eric lol. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 8:13:14 GMT -5
totally agree re: wheel and getting stuck in no mans land etc. see: mavs, blazers, warriors, et. al and compound it with we were told ad nauseum how weak draft classes would be under eric lol. When are you gonna stop blaming your shit tier team on other people's guesses about what 6.0 would look like. You're your own man. |
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Post by Soup on May 12, 2021 8:19:08 GMT -5
and compound it with we were told ad nauseum how weak draft classes would be under eric lol. When are you gonna stop blaming your shit tier team on other people's guesses about what 6.0 would look like. You're your own man. don't be such a sensitive bitch lol at shit tier okay, man |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 8:21:56 GMT -5
When are you gonna stop blaming your shit tier team on other people's guesses about what 6.0 would look like. You're your own man. don't be such a sensitive bitch lol at shit tier okay, man No hate, but ill point out I was one of the people that said the draft classes would suck, and I honestly believed it. But yet I still didn't make a bunch of moves to mortgage the entire future of my team and blame others for it. |
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Post by Soup on May 12, 2021 8:23:59 GMT -5
don't be such a sensitive bitch lol at shit tier okay, man No hate, but ill point out I was one of the people that said the draft classes would suck, and I honestly believed it. But yet I still didn't make a bunch of moves to mortgage the entire future of my team and blame others for it. you were one of several, no one is placing blame, it is what it is. I'm happy with the moves I made, it gave me a title. I couldn't predict my all pro pg would leave me in FA when literally almost everyone else resigns their players. Just bad luck. |
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Post by Druce on May 12, 2021 8:28:42 GMT -5
totally agree re: wheel and getting stuck in no mans land etc. see: mavs, blazers, warriors, et. al and compound it with we were told ad nauseum how weak draft classes would be under eric lol. well i totally believed it, see my selling of picks during creation lol |
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Post by Druce on May 12, 2021 8:29:18 GMT -5
anywho, 55k
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Post by Soup on May 12, 2021 8:30:59 GMT -5
and compound it with we were told ad nauseum how weak draft classes would be under eric lol. well i totally believed it, see my selling of picks during creation lol same man, same. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 8:36:29 GMT -5
Getting to the section of the pod where you guys say wheel sucks because you can't sustain success and your franchise would be set back for years. Thats true but only if you suck. In 5.0 we saw teams maintain success with the wheel. 20s is currently doing it, he has a great team and a ton of picks. My plan is to do it. Trofie has done it.
Its a different kind of league. Like I said before anyone can trade all their wheel assets and make a good team. Your picks are worth more than lottery picks so you can quickly assemble a competitive team by trading them. The real skill is maintaining success. We will see who actually has real skill as 10-20 years go by.
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Post by skrouse on May 12, 2021 8:37:02 GMT -5
Hate the youtube format, makes it hard to listen to on the go. If you could try to embed it like BK does that would be great, then I can do the PIP.
Bankz was really hard to hear, I had to have my volume all the way up.
With regards to the wheel, I think you guys are focusing on the bad (or what you view as the bad) and ignoring the good, but I guess that can happen depending on your current situation. I agreed with some of what was said, more with what dirt had to say, I did disagree with a lot though.
Thanks for putting another a pod together though, I do enjoy listening to them and having a chance to compare my views versus those of others.
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Post by IanBoyd on May 12, 2021 8:38:29 GMT -5
Having your best player leave you in FA is more punishing in wheel than in lotto.
Most of the contenders have pretty much mortgaged most if not all their assets for their current teams, if they lose someone in FA that's a guaranteed 5-10 seasons of mediocrity waiting for them.
If I lose CP3 in lotto FA, it'd suck but I can sell off my other pieces to tank and regroup. If I lose it here in wheel FA, yes I can still sell off my other pieces but my ceiling on those returns makes me a .500 8th seed team for 8 seasons until I get wheeled my 1.2
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Post by IanBoyd on May 12, 2021 8:40:08 GMT -5
Getting to the section of the pod where you guys say wheel sucks because you can't sustain success and your franchise would be set back for years. Thats true but only if you suck. In 5.0 we saw teams maintain success with the wheel. 20s is currently doing it, he has a great team and a ton of picks. My plan is to do it. Trofie has done it. Its a different kind of league. Like I said before anyone can trade all their wheel assets and make a good team. Your picks are worth more than lottery picks so you can quickly assemble a competitive team by trading them. The real skill is maintaining success. We will see who actually has real skill as 10-20 years go by. You have no way of maintaining wheel success if say Larry Smith bailed on you and now your team is only worth 70% what it did 2 days ago with you having literally no other means to improve its worth or your assets. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 8:41:08 GMT -5
Having your best player leave you in FA is more punishing in wheel than in lotto. Most of the contenders have pretty much mortgaged most if not all their assets for their current teams, if they lose someone in FA that's a guaranteed 5-10 seasons of mediocrity waiting for them. If I lose CP3 in lotto FA, it'd suck but I can sell off my other pieces to tank and regroup. If I lose it here in wheel FA, yes I can still sell off my other pieces but my ceiling on those returns makes me a .500 8th seed team for 8 seasons until I get wheeled my 1.2 Every GM has a chance to recoup plenty of value for a player before they go into FA. Going into FA is a risk and it will bite everyone eventually. Its all part of the strategy. Minimize your risks instead of bitching that the chance you know you took didn't work out. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 8:42:09 GMT -5
Getting to the section of the pod where you guys say wheel sucks because you can't sustain success and your franchise would be set back for years. Thats true but only if you suck. In 5.0 we saw teams maintain success with the wheel. 20s is currently doing it, he has a great team and a ton of picks. My plan is to do it. Trofie has done it. Its a different kind of league. Like I said before anyone can trade all their wheel assets and make a good team. Your picks are worth more than lottery picks so you can quickly assemble a competitive team by trading them. The real skill is maintaining success. We will see who actually has real skill as 10-20 years go by. You have no way of maintaining wheel success if say Larry Smith bailed on you and now your team is only worth 70% what it did 2 days ago with you having literally no other means to improve its worth or your assets. Sure. Thats why I minimize the risk by trading most of my pending free agents for value. Larry Smith is the type where the risk is worth it. |
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Post by Dirt on May 12, 2021 8:46:10 GMT -5
Getting to the section of the pod where you guys say wheel sucks because you can't sustain success and your franchise would be set back for years. Thats true but only if you suck. In 5.0 we saw teams maintain success with the wheel. 20s is currently doing it, he has a great team and a ton of picks. My plan is to do it. Trofie has done it. Its a different kind of league. Like I said before anyone can trade all their wheel assets and make a good team. Your picks are worth more than lottery picks so you can quickly assemble a competitive team by trading them. The real skill is maintaining success. We will see who actually has real skill as 10-20 years go by. I dont remember saying the wheel sucks. We were discussing GMs getting frustrated and spoke about the cons. Trofie has has success because he went all in with gates an expiring and he resigned. He went all in with Brooks an expiring and he resigned. You need some luck and skill. continue |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 8:47:22 GMT -5
No hate, but ill point out I was one of the people that said the draft classes would suck, and I honestly believed it. But yet I still didn't make a bunch of moves to mortgage the entire future of my team and blame others for it. you were one of several, no one is placing blame, it is what it is. I'm happy with the moves I made, it gave me a title. I couldn't predict my all pro pg would leave me in FA when literally almost everyone else resigns their players. Just bad luck. Your moves to win the championship was fine. But then your team was clearly way less good the next few years. Theo left. And what did you do? Trade top 10 picks for guys like Sean witherspoon. Your no mans land team isn't because of your title, its about you clinging onto a core that obviously had no chance to compete. I told you to sell as soon as theo left. I offered you a top 10 pick for craft who played for your obviously not contender teams and then was amnestied etc. |
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Post by IanBoyd on May 12, 2021 8:47:28 GMT -5
You have no way of maintaining wheel success if say Larry Smith bailed on you and now your team is only worth 70% what it did 2 days ago with you having literally no other means to improve its worth or your assets. Sure. Thats why I minimize the risk by trading most of my pending free agents for value. Larry Smith is the type where the risk is worth it. Right, and so is Theo, and soup isn't any worse of a GM because he wanted to bring Theo back, just that wheel FA rng fucks you harder than lotto FA rng if you get the short end of the stick. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 8:48:56 GMT -5
Sure. Thats why I minimize the risk by trading most of my pending free agents for value. Larry Smith is the type where the risk is worth it. Right, and so is Theo, and soup isn't any worse of a GM because he wanted to bring Theo back, just that wheel FA rng fucks you harder than lotto FA rng if you get the short end of the stick. See my response to soup in the previous post. |
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Post by Herby New Year! on May 12, 2021 8:57:38 GMT -5
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Griffith wasn't a loss. He had 10 perimeter defense, which is why I spent most of the season trying to get rid of him. Lee or Green will play better defense as the backup wing. The loss will be scoring for the second unit. Mahorn will have to pick pick up the scoring for the second unit.
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Post by Soup on May 12, 2021 9:04:12 GMT -5
you were one of several, no one is placing blame, it is what it is. I'm happy with the moves I made, it gave me a title. I couldn't predict my all pro pg would leave me in FA when literally almost everyone else resigns their players. Just bad luck. Your moves to win the championship was fine. But then your team was clearly way less good the next few years. Theo left. And what did you do? Trade top 10 picks for guys like Sean witherspoon. Your no mans land team isn't because of your title, its about you clinging onto a core that obviously had no chance to compete. I told you to sell as soon as theo left. I offered you a top 10 pick for craft who played for your obviously not contender teams and then was amnestied etc. the pick i traded for witherspoon hasn't even been selected yet. Not all of us were able to hit the FA lottery. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 9:10:49 GMT -5
Your moves to win the championship was fine. But then your team was clearly way less good the next few years. Theo left. And what did you do? Trade top 10 picks for guys like Sean witherspoon. Your no mans land team isn't because of your title, its about you clinging onto a core that obviously had no chance to compete. I told you to sell as soon as theo left. I offered you a top 10 pick for craft who played for your obviously not contender teams and then was amnestied etc. the pick i traded for witherspoon hasn't even been selected yet. Not all of us were able to hit the FA lottery. Yeah wouldn't it be nice to have those picks coming up thats my point. In a nod to you and Ian I will admit that my "continued success" meta can fail when your best player leaves in FA. But then the move isn't to try to pretend you can still compete, the elite gm would pivot and sell to quickly rebuild. And yeah dude my signing of DD definitely was a huge part of my title |
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Post by bankz on May 12, 2021 11:27:37 GMT -5
Getting to the section of the pod where you guys say wheel sucks because you can't sustain success and your franchise would be set back for years. Thats true but only if you suck. In 5.0 we saw teams maintain success with the wheel. 20s is currently doing it, he has a great team and a ton of picks. My plan is to do it. Trofie has done it. Its a different kind of league. Like I said before anyone can trade all their wheel assets and make a good team. Your picks are worth more than lottery picks so you can quickly assemble a competitive team by trading them. The real skill is maintaining success. We will see who actually has real skill as 10-20 years go by. If you actually listened to the pod you wouldn’t be saying we said the wheel sucks. I simply was speaking on the pro and cons to the wheel and how some franchises can get stuck in a no mans land. You see multiple GMs agreeing with that point. And my specially mentions the end of some runs and how you decide to manage it because even though 20s, Trofie and I are sustaining success at some point you reach tough decisions on top guys. |
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Post by bankz on May 12, 2021 11:29:31 GMT -5
Hate the youtube format, makes it hard to listen to on the go. If you could try to embed it like BK does that would be great, then I can do the PIP. Bankz was really hard to hear, I had to have my volume all the way up. With regards to the wheel, I think you guys are focusing on the bad (or what you view as the bad) and ignoring the good, but I guess that can happen depending on your current situation. I agreed with some of what was said, more with what dirt had to say, I did disagree with a lot though. Thanks for putting another a pod together though, I do enjoy listening to them and having a chance to compare my views versus those of others. 50K I’m going to see if we can post the pod on multiple platforms moving forward. I’ve already looked into the process to do that. |
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Post by 20s on May 12, 2021 11:45:27 GMT -5
here it is embedded if you need that skrousesounds like you already listened, though |
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Post by Yawn of the Dead on May 12, 2021 11:54:30 GMT -5
20s out here doing god's work
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Post by Chaps on May 12, 2021 13:36:32 GMT -5
Soup did you have Theo's BR when he was a FA? I didn't think you did. I know you were talking about re-signings but going into FA with BR is another way to minimize risk.
Not that is its foolproof, RIP Sapular.
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Post by Trofie on May 12, 2021 13:38:07 GMT -5
70k each dirt and bankz you guys dove deep into a lot of teams
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