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Post by IanBoyd on May 10, 2021 9:30:03 GMT -5
The inactive GMs will be at a disadvantage no matter what system we use.
Blaming it on secret info is just sidestepping the issue of their inactivity.
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Post by Ankly on May 10, 2021 9:33:50 GMT -5
The inactive GMs will be at a disadvantage no matter what system we use. Blaming it on secret info is just sidestepping the issue of their inactivity. Inactivity isn't an issue though really. People don't like the "cartels". But the core reason they exist is the non-public information. That's why we have "cartels". |
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Post by 20s on May 10, 2021 9:35:25 GMT -5
friends don't make secrets
secrets don't make friends
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Post by delap on May 10, 2021 10:28:25 GMT -5
... that is available to all who wish to purchase it. I don't really think that qualifies as "secret information"
exactly. people who hate on "secret info" are just lazy bastards who are too lazy to pay for their own information. No one ever shared a single scout with me in 5.0 and I didn't bitch
I pay for my own scouts almost exclusively. I only ever shared scouts in 5.0 as part of trades. |
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Post by delap on May 10, 2021 10:29:21 GMT -5
friends don't make secrets secrets don't make friends  |
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Post by TinyTimPig on May 10, 2021 11:16:29 GMT -5
exactly. people who hate on "secret info" are just lazy bastards who are too lazy to pay for their own information. No one ever shared a single scout with me in 5.0 and I didn't bitch
I pay for my own scouts almost exclusively. I only ever shared scouts in 5.0 as part of trades. Yeah, and I have no interest in splitting scouts with someone who has a pick in front of me because I don't want them picking a player I might want. It's really weird to me that people just...help each other out like that. |
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Post by Soup on May 10, 2021 11:40:32 GMT -5
I pay for my own scouts almost exclusively. I only ever shared scouts in 5.0 as part of trades. Yeah, and I have no interest in splitting scouts with someone who has a pick in front of me because I don't want them picking a player I might want. It's really weird to me that people just...help each other out like that. Haven’t you been in scouting groups? |
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Post by TinyTimPig on May 10, 2021 11:46:00 GMT -5
Yeah, and I have no interest in splitting scouts with someone who has a pick in front of me because I don't want them picking a player I might want. It's really weird to me that people just...help each other out like that. Haven’t you been in scouting groups? Was going to try it once, which was the year Odin shared the scouts with everyone. So technically, no. Unless you count this year where I split with one GM who was slated to pick after me. |
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Post by skrouse on May 10, 2021 11:58:21 GMT -5
I pay for my own scouts almost exclusively. I only ever shared scouts in 5.0 as part of trades. Yeah, and I have no interest in splitting scouts with someone who has a pick in front of me because I don't want them picking a player I might want. It's really weird to me that people just...help each other out like that. Agree 100% with this |
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Post by jhb on May 10, 2021 12:10:29 GMT -5
I've been planning 5 years of scouting cartels so any changes will need to be 6 years in the future
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Post by 20s on May 10, 2021 12:18:06 GMT -5
Haven’t you been in scouting groups? Was going to try it once, which was the year Odin shared the scouts with everyone. So technically, no. Unless you count this year where I split with one GM who was slated to pick after me. You were in a group with like 5 of us in 3002 |
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Post by TinyTimPig on May 10, 2021 12:31:47 GMT -5
Was going to try it once, which was the year Odin shared the scouts with everyone. So technically, no. Unless you count this year where I split with one GM who was slated to pick after me. You were in a group with like 5 of us in 3002 Good catch! Looks like I initially had the 8th pick and then I realized what a stupid system this is because every person in that group was picking in front of me and took the players I was interested in drafting and/or trading up for. Lesson learned. |
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Post by bankz on May 10, 2021 13:06:27 GMT -5
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Post by eric on May 10, 2021 14:55:34 GMT -5
The inactive GMs will be at a disadvantage no matter what system we use. Blaming it on secret info is just sidestepping the issue of their inactivity. i'm not sure where this is coming from, nobody else seems to be talking about inactivity |
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Post by eric on May 10, 2021 14:58:57 GMT -5
I still think this seems like the most fun: 1. Concurrent Prospect Season - During the season we would have 3 sims of 20 days in the prospect season that get posted (flexible on specifics here). Kind of like you're following the college season as it's ongoing. - We would probably have a static set of non-draft players that are always in this league (and are mediocre rather than horrible). And then eric just swaps in the new draft class each year. That would give us a static baseline to judge prospect performance against. - I think this would be fun because it would give the teams with high draft picks a few sims to look forward to each year. And they could look through all the box scores. - I think this would give teams with top picks a pretty good idea of what they'd be drafting (before TC anyway) Would gladly give up a mid season improvements sim to make it happen. Maybe even also insert an extra day into the season for sim 1 of this? with how infrequently people do test sims, we could try putting this in on the 2/5/11 schedule i feel like i would also do 3 sims of 40 days because even one season has serious sample size issues, plus the prospects would be pre-TC and pre-upgrade, plus it would be another opportunity for pbp  |
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Post by 20s on May 10, 2021 15:18:26 GMT -5
Would require JHB to have all profiles written and Eric to have all prospects built by sim 2.
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Post by Druce on May 10, 2021 15:29:24 GMT -5
i'd like to reiterate that i love the idea of hidden gems being determined after the actual draft. hidden gems going within the top 20 picks after they've been uncovered by scouts kinda defeats the purpose of them being a "hidden gem"
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Post by Ankly on May 10, 2021 15:32:56 GMT -5
Would require JHB to have all profiles written and Eric to have all prospects built by sim 2. this is why building out a buffer off at least like 2-years would be good |
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Post by Druce on May 10, 2021 15:48:41 GMT -5
i'd be pretty fucking pissed if picks i traded for already were not subject to the scouting rules in place when i traded for them
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Post by eric on May 11, 2021 14:46:54 GMT -5
there's a lot going on here. i'm not satisfied with the current scout system but i don't think there's an obvious improvement and there's definitely no consensus my plan right now is to try the NCAA sim for the 3007 class and see what that does to scouting. jhb obviously you're almost done with that class already but if you can finish it asap that would be good. the 2/5/11 schedule doesn't work since we start drafting on 8, so i'm gonna aim for 2/5/8 40 games a pop. the sim will be robots built to the league average for each position, no more than one profile player per team, and non-profile players distributed so that all draft class players will start at an appropriate position. these players will not go through TC or receive upgrades. this is a one season deal and will not necessarily be continued now, one of the unqualified successes of the scouting system is a currency drain, so i want alternatives for that, start up the brainstorms |
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Post by Trofie on May 11, 2021 14:49:15 GMT -5
there's a lot going on here. i'm not satisfied with the current scout system but i don't think there's an obvious improvement and there's definitely no consensus my plan right now is to try the NCAA sim for the 3007 class and see what that does to scouting. jhb obviously you're almost done with that class already but if you can finish it asap that would be good. the 2/5/11 schedule doesn't work since we start drafting on 8, so i'm gonna aim for 2/5/8 40 games a pop. the sim will be robots built to the league average for each position, no more than one profile player per team, and non-profile players distributed so that all draft class players will start at an appropriate position. these players will not go through TC or receive upgrades. this is a one season deal and will not necessarily be continued now, one of the unqualified successes of the scouting system is a currency drain, so i want alternatives for that, start up the brainstorms scout gem status |
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Post by delap on May 11, 2021 14:50:20 GMT -5
*remove gem status from all scouts. hide them better.
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Post by TinyTimPig on May 11, 2021 15:39:31 GMT -5
there's a lot going on here. i'm not satisfied with the current scout system but i don't think there's an obvious improvement and there's definitely no consensus my plan right now is to try the NCAA sim for the 3007 class and see what that does to scouting. jhb obviously you're almost done with that class already but if you can finish it asap that would be good. the 2/5/11 schedule doesn't work since we start drafting on 8, so i'm gonna aim for 2/5/8 40 games a pop. the sim will be robots built to the league average for each position, no more than one profile player per team, and non-profile players distributed so that all draft class players will start at an appropriate position. these players will not go through TC or receive upgrades. this is a one season deal and will not necessarily be continued now, one of the unqualified successes of the scouting system is a currency drain, so i want alternatives for that, start up the brainstorms A couple of questions if this system were to stick: - Will the current form of scouting still be available for the 3007 class? Or will this replace it entirely for the year? - When would JHB be obligated to finish the profiles by? - It seems the class would need to be built prior to sim 2. would this allow grades be revealed earlier, and would you reveal them earlier? It seems you'd still like for the draft to start sim 8, which seems reasonable to me. - How will GM commentary and profile adjustments be handled? I assume no adjustments would be made to builds following the first "college" sim? |
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Post by 20s on May 11, 2021 15:41:26 GMT -5
One thing I would like to see IF we make a change in scouting or to a NCAA season type of thing: - Still allowed to pay 15k to get the build of guys you drafted. Only the GM who drafted the player can get this build. But it would be helpful when it comes to applying upgrades to be able to see your guy's build.
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Post by Druce on May 11, 2021 15:47:32 GMT -5
i'd like to reiterate that i love the idea of hidden gems being determined after the actual draft. hidden gems going within the top 20 picks after they've been uncovered by scouts kinda defeats the purpose of them being a "hidden gem" |
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Post by IanBoyd on May 11, 2021 15:49:52 GMT -5
Not a fan at all of replacing scouting with stats.
Scouting isn't the issue, the thing that brought this up is the sharing of info, which I personally don't really think is a problem. Eric has stated himself he doesn't expect to police sharing info between GMs, burning down the entire system so there is nothing left to police is a lame way of handling it.
If you want the info, seek it out, if you don't then do what you're currently doing and just scout by yourself.
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Post by eric on May 11, 2021 16:07:08 GMT -5
there's a lot going on here. i'm not satisfied with the current scout system but i don't think there's an obvious improvement and there's definitely no consensus my plan right now is to try the NCAA sim for the 3007 class and see what that does to scouting. jhb obviously you're almost done with that class already but if you can finish it asap that would be good. the 2/5/11 schedule doesn't work since we start drafting on 8, so i'm gonna aim for 2/5/8 40 games a pop. the sim will be robots built to the league average for each position, no more than one profile player per team, and non-profile players distributed so that all draft class players will start at an appropriate position. these players will not go through TC or receive upgrades. this is a one season deal and will not necessarily be continued now, one of the unqualified successes of the scouting system is a currency drain, so i want alternatives for that, start up the brainstorms A couple of questions if this system were to stick: - Will the current form of scouting still be available for the 3007 class? Or will this replace it entirely for the year? - When would JHB be obligated to finish the profiles by? - It seems the class would need to be built prior to sim 2. would this allow grades be revealed earlier, and would you reveal them earlier? It seems you'd still like for the draft to start sim 8, which seems reasonable to me. - How will GM commentary and profile adjustments be handled? I assume no adjustments would be made to builds following the first "college" sim? nothing is being changed or removed, only adding for this season as such there are no firm timelines on anything, but in general yes i expect everything would be on a similar timeline as we have now except with sim 2 as the deadline instead of sim 8 |
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Post by Ankly on May 11, 2021 16:09:54 GMT -5
there's a lot going on here. i'm not satisfied with the current scout system but i don't think there's an obvious improvement and there's definitely no consensus my plan right now is to try the NCAA sim for the 3007 class and see what that does to scouting. jhb obviously you're almost done with that class already but if you can finish it asap that would be good. the 2/5/11 schedule doesn't work since we start drafting on 8, so i'm gonna aim for 2/5/8 40 games a pop. the sim will be robots built to the league average for each position, no more than one profile player per team, and non-profile players distributed so that all draft class players will start at an appropriate position. these players will not go through TC or receive upgrades. this is a one season deal and will not necessarily be continued now, one of the unqualified successes of the scouting system is a currency drain, so i want alternatives for that, start up the brainstorms A couple of questions if this system were to stick: - Will the current form of scouting still be available for the 3007 class? Or will this replace it entirely for the year? - When would JHB be obligated to finish the profiles by? - It seems the class would need to be built prior to sim 2. would this allow grades be revealed earlier, and would you reveal them earlier? It seems you'd still like for the draft to start sim 8, which seems reasonable to me. - How will GM commentary and profile adjustments be handled? I assume no adjustments would be made to builds following the first "college" sim? If we move the profile creation up at least a sim year then that still leaves time for commentary/adjustment. |
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Post by Herby New Year! on May 11, 2021 16:17:05 GMT -5
there's a lot going on here. i'm not satisfied with the current scout system but i don't think there's an obvious improvement and there's definitely no consensus my plan right now is to try the NCAA sim for the 3007 class and see what that does to scouting. jhb obviously you're almost done with that class already but if you can finish it asap that would be good. the 2/5/11 schedule doesn't work since we start drafting on 8, so i'm gonna aim for 2/5/8 40 games a pop. the sim will be robots built to the league average for each position, no more than one profile player per team, and non-profile players distributed so that all draft class players will start at an appropriate position. these players will not go through TC or receive upgrades. this is a one season deal and will not necessarily be continued now, one of the unqualified successes of the scouting system is a currency drain, so i want alternatives for that, start up the brainstorms Agree the currency drain is helpful and promotes content creation. A few ideas and a suggestion. College scout - for [7.5]k send a scout to a college team and learn their depth chart Booster - for [15]k set a college team's depth chart Shoe company - for [20]k ensure two players are on the same team AND set the team's depth chart. Since we are trying to emulate a college season, the other players should be well below league average. If it is not too burdensome, I'd suggest moving the average for non-draft players to what you use for second round picks (minus the bonuses you give for strengths). |
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Post by Dirt on May 11, 2021 16:18:33 GMT -5
I still think this seems like the most fun: 1. Concurrent Prospect Season - During the season we would have 3 sims of 20 days in the prospect season that get posted (flexible on specifics here). Kind of like you're following the college season as it's ongoing. - We would probably have a static set of non-draft players that are always in this league (and are mediocre rather than horrible). And then eric just swaps in the new draft class each year. That would give us a static baseline to judge prospect performance against. - I think this would be fun because it would give the teams with high draft picks a few sims to look forward to each year. And they could look through all the box scores. - I think this would give teams with top picks a pretty good idea of what they'd be drafting (before TC anyway) Would gladly give up a mid season improvements sim to make it happen. Maybe even also insert an extra day into the season for sim 1 of this? How many prospects? how many teams? |
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