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Post by TinyTimPig on Mar 31, 2021 16:18:27 GMT -5
Currently when you tier 2, tier 3, or tier 1 (potential) scout a player, their hidden gem status is revealed.
I am suggesting that we remove this and hidden gems are only revealed if they receive +10 upgrades.
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Post by 20s on Mar 31, 2021 16:19:42 GMT -5
make gems hidden again
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Post by Yawn of the Dead on Mar 31, 2021 16:20:17 GMT -5
I still think we need to kill full attribute scouting.
This will quench my blood lust for today. Voted yes.
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Post by TinyTimPig on Mar 31, 2021 16:23:32 GMT -5
One thing I do like about revealing hidden gems is that I think it makes second round picks more valuable.
No one is trading significant skrouse coin or draft capital to move up and draft Nick Fazekas if they don't know he's a hidden gem.
It's also probably more likely that a lot of these guys aren't upgraded and die off without ever being revealed.
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Post by Sapular on Mar 31, 2021 16:34:53 GMT -5
I am a fan and in support of letting a hidden gem be truly hidden. I would support that they can be revealed after their 2nd year in the league and on a roster or if they have upgrades put into them.
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Post by TinyTimPig on Mar 31, 2021 16:38:50 GMT -5
I am a fan and in support of letting a hidden gem be truly hidden. I would support that they can be revealed after their 2nd year in the league and on a roster or if they have upgrades put into them. The idea of another mechanism for revealing is interesting. I'm not a huge fan of auto-revealing them all after two years as that doesn't require any sort of activity on the GM's part except having them rostered, but I like the idea of something else triggering it in addition to the +10. |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Mar 31, 2021 16:46:26 GMT -5
How about if they get mentored it triggers the +10 HG
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Post by eric on Mar 31, 2021 17:05:06 GMT -5
hidden gems are also revealed on tier 2 or tier 1 potential scouting fwiw
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Post by TinyTimPig on Mar 31, 2021 17:09:58 GMT -5
hidden gems are also revealed on tier 2 or tier 1 potential scouting fwiw I'll update the OP. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Mar 31, 2021 18:07:43 GMT -5
Easy yes vote
much more fun for gems to be uncovered organically.
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Post by Dirt on Mar 31, 2021 18:12:06 GMT -5
I have 4 top 4 picks coming up so NO
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Post by Handsome Pete on Mar 31, 2021 18:17:10 GMT -5
Maybe you can buy a skill camp for your rookie class at the beginning of the season that would reveal any hidden gems?
Kind of like when a rookie comes in and starts lighting it up in practice.
Like 5k would tell you if any of your rookies are hidden gems and 10k would tell you exactly which rookies on your team are hidden gems. But you couldn't run it until after the draft and FA are over
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Post by skrouse on Mar 31, 2021 18:47:21 GMT -5
Maybe you can buy a skill camp for your rookie class at the beginning of the season that would reveal any hidden gems? Kind of like when a rookie comes in and starts lighting it up in practice. Like 5k would tell you if any of your rookies are hidden gems and 10k would tell you exactly which rookies on your team are hidden gems. But you couldn't run it until after the draft and FA are over I would be a fan of something like this, maybe an assistant coach that reveals them, or maybe we can add it as a feature to the upgrade coach. Something post draft would probably be ok, I am just not a fan of knowing before you have the player on your team. |
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Post by skrouse on Mar 31, 2021 18:48:16 GMT -5
Or just expanding the reveal to be based on any upgrade, so a camp, mentor or upgrade of any amount
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Post by Sapular on Mar 31, 2021 22:55:40 GMT -5
I am a fan and in support of letting a hidden gem be truly hidden. I would support that they can be revealed after their 2nd year in the league and on a roster or if they have upgrades put into them. The idea of another mechanism for revealing is interesting. I'm not a huge fan of auto-revealing them all after two years as that doesn't require any sort of activity on the GM's part except having them rostered, but I like the idea of something else triggering it in addition to the +10. Yeah I get that. Perhaps must play a certain number of games or like was also mentioned any level of improvement to that player reveals a hidden gem. That’s kids the point of a hidden gem. Revealed later |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 31, 2021 23:07:10 GMT -5
Finding Hidden Gems via scouting should be its own coach
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Post by Sapular on Mar 31, 2021 23:10:16 GMT -5
Finding Hidden Gems via scouting should be its own coach How would that work? You have a hidden gem coach or something and that is the only thing that coach does? |
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Post by IanBoyd on Mar 31, 2021 23:19:52 GMT -5
Finding Hidden Gems via scouting should be its own coach I like this idea the scouting coach reduces cost by 5k for the first 4 scouted and allows you to find the gems by scouting too. make it more of a choice between the scouting and sports scientist coach. |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 31, 2021 23:49:28 GMT -5
Finding Hidden Gems via scouting should be its own coach I like this idea the scouting coach reduces cost by 5k for the first 4 scouted and allows you to find the gems by scouting too. make it more of a choice between the scouting and sports scientist coach. i was thinking it should still be separate from the scouting coach |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 31, 2021 23:51:44 GMT -5
Something like:
Gem Finder - you can scan 5 players (obviously flexible on the number) in the draft to determine if they are a hidden gem.
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Post by skrouse on Apr 1, 2021 7:00:39 GMT -5
If we go with a solo coach role, I don't think it should be limited since you don't know who they are. Anyone you scout should be revealed.
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Post by Ankly on Apr 1, 2021 7:08:30 GMT -5
If we go with a solo coach role, I don't think it should be limited since you don't know who they are. Anyone you scout should be revealed. The thought is to limit it if it's more powerful than the other coaches. |
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Post by skrouse on Apr 1, 2021 7:22:37 GMT -5
If we go with a solo coach role, I don't think it should be limited since you don't know who they are. Anyone you scout should be revealed. The thought is to limit it if it's more powerful than the other coaches. Well creating the coach role does limit the GM's ability to have another coach and they would also still have to front the full cost of the Scouts, no discounts. I don't prefer the new coach method tho, I would rather we tie the reveal to any type of upgrade.
As if a team drafted a kid irl and he showed up for his first training session and just blew the coaching staff away with his work ethic and such, boom he's a hidden gem. He's going to improve more than others because he works harder than expected.
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Post by Majic on Apr 1, 2021 8:22:51 GMT -5
Not sure I see why this would be necessary. Feel like knowing someone is a hidden gem is a huge scouting bonus.
Of the Ideas that have been discussed here are my thoughts on if we did remove it:
If we did look to remove it from the traditional scouting then I would prefer that its added to the Scouting Coach as an included bonus. Feel like thats a nice place for it to land and gives that person the added bonus.
Personally, I dont like the idea of making it a seperate coach that you would have to buy. Seems like a waste of money and I cant envision someone using it over the other, better, options.
If we did remove it, I like the idea of expanding how you find out. If a player gets upgraded, sent to a skill camp or mentored it should be revealed.
Obviously we do not have the benefit of watching practices and in person camps to determine if someone has great potential. I like the idea of giving the GM's additional ways of knowing that outside of JUST upgrading them.
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Post by skrouse on Apr 1, 2021 8:29:18 GMT -5
Not sure I see why this would be necessary. Feel like knowing someone is a hidden gem is a huge scouting bonus Exactly, it's a huge scouting bonus, and I think it's a bit too much honestly. It just doesn't fit what I and many others feel is defined as a HIDDEN gem. It's not very hidden if you can just check if they are one before acquiring them. |
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Post by Druce on Apr 1, 2021 8:37:34 GMT -5
All this would do is make it so more hidden gems go uncovered. First round picks are going to get +10 regardless in most cases unless they tank their first TC. If you want to make it a separate coach that is fine, but the number of people who would actually use that coach is likely close to 0. If you have high picks you're getting the scouting coach, and if you're a contender you're using one of the dc option coaches.
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Post by Soup on Apr 1, 2021 8:59:10 GMT -5
see no need to change current set up
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Post by skrouse on Apr 1, 2021 9:00:17 GMT -5
All this would do is make it so more hidden gems go uncovered. First round picks are going to get +10 regardless in most cases unless they tank their first TC. If you want to make it a separate coach that is fine, but the number of people who would actually use that coach is likely close to 0. If you have high picks you're getting the scouting coach, and if you're a contender you're using one of the dc option coaches. I think this is true if we tie the reveal to a coach. So that's why I think we should remove the reveal from scouting an expand the reveal when guys are upgraded in any capacity, including mentoring and camps. And lower the upgrade min from 10 to 5. I feel like these change would make increase the amount of gems that are uncovered, especially 2nd n 3rd rounders. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 9:06:37 GMT -5
Its not about whether they are discovered or not druce. Its someone being a hidden gem is noticed and then taken higher than they would be without it.
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Post by Majic on Apr 1, 2021 9:21:30 GMT -5
Its not about whether they are discovered or not druce. Its someone being a hidden gem is noticed and then taken higher than they would be without it. I am confused on why this is a bad thing? |
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