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Post by Herby New Year! on Feb 25, 2021 16:10:25 GMT -5
To avoid unnecessary bullying by GMs to get their way, eric has made the decision that he will never change a ruling/decision/interpretation disirregardless (h/t timpig) of the merits of the objection.
There is a work around to this that will allow the league to avoid a wrongly decided ruling/decision/interpretation without eric needing to change his ruling.
We could have a mechanism (tbd in a later poll if there is consensus we need a mechanism - feel free to suggest a mechanism in this thread) that prevents undue hardship to GMs because of the league's policy on changing its rulings.
Pros - eric never has to deal with difficult GMs bitching and moaning again. We have a mechanism to prevent silly outcomes like the dirt/dascumchap veto or the scouting report veto.
Cons - it's cumbersome to have a distribution of power, even limited power, and lessens the benefit of [mostly] enlightened despotic commishing.
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Post by TinyTimPig on Feb 25, 2021 16:27:03 GMT -5
I think you mean "Counsel" of Reason
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Post by wardunn on Feb 25, 2021 16:29:44 GMT -5
only if it can be discussed at the Hall of Justice.
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Post by Yawn of the Dead on Feb 25, 2021 16:39:40 GMT -5
no
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Post by eric on Feb 25, 2021 17:30:33 GMT -5
Pros - eric never has to deal with difficult GMs bitching and moaning again.  |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Feb 25, 2021 17:33:27 GMT -5
Fair eric - at least not about rulings. Draft classes though . . . . |
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Post by Majic on Feb 26, 2021 10:38:07 GMT -5
Bump as its a topic again.
I would be in favor of some form of council to advise on trades and/or override a veto.
Part of the problem is that Eric has the only voice in terms of what is "reasonable" value.
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Post by Druce on Feb 26, 2021 11:20:18 GMT -5
interested to hear the reasoning behind the 5 no votes
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Post by Odin on Feb 26, 2021 11:21:04 GMT -5
interested to hear the reasoning behind the 5 no votes i think it will get messy, cause more drama, and lead to possible selling of votes |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Feb 26, 2021 11:22:52 GMT -5
interested to hear the reasoning behind the 5 no votes i think it will get messy, cause more drama, and lead to possible selling of votes Depends on how it works. I think there are GMs that have sound judgment and integrity. The problem will be when those GMs quit. |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Feb 26, 2021 11:27:01 GMT -5
I also want to be crystal clear about something: I think eric has very good judgment and unimpeachable integrity. He would be the first person I'd nominate for this committee.
But like all of us, his judgment is fallible (I don't think his integrity is tbh). And he is not willing to be challenged on his judgment, for very understandable reasons. That's why this ought to become a thing.
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Post by Majic on Feb 26, 2021 11:37:51 GMT -5
Would the committee only get involved IF eric feels a deal should be vetoed"
or is the committee involved on every deal/prior to any veto discussion?
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Post by Yawn of the Dead on Feb 26, 2021 11:49:46 GMT -5
Why would we want to hoist a separate body with no power on Eric to do nothing but indulge our whiniest most self serving membership?
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Post by 20s on Feb 26, 2021 11:57:13 GMT -5
Why would we want to hoist a separate body with no power on Eric to do nothing but indulge our whiniest most self serving membership? No polotics |
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Post by bankz on Feb 26, 2021 12:32:21 GMT -5
I voted no because no enough detail is provided for who would make up the group, how long they get to stay in it. What happens if someone quits. What activates them to step in?
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Post by TinyTimPig on Feb 26, 2021 13:01:15 GMT -5
I voted no because no enough detail is provided for who would make up the group, how long they get to stay in it. What happens if someone quits. What activates them to step in? The OP says all of that would be discussed in a future poll if it’s agreed on that a mechanism is needed in the first place. |
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Post by bankz on Feb 26, 2021 13:08:03 GMT -5
I voted no because no enough detail is provided for who would make up the group, how long they get to stay in it. What happens if someone quits. What activates them to step in? The OP says all of that would be discussed in a future poll if it’s agreed on that a mechanism is needed in the first place. I would rather know now. I feel like Eric does a great job with the league. We have had a couple of "just use some common sense" moments. But I wouldn't want this group to over step or be used more than the rare moment. |
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Post by jhb on Feb 26, 2021 13:16:40 GMT -5
Are we going to do a poll for every GM and let everybody vote up or down if they should be on the Council of Reason
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Post by bankz on Feb 26, 2021 13:20:57 GMT -5
Are we going to do a poll for every GM and let everybody vote up or down if they should be on the Council of Reason Some GMs shouldn't be allowed to be included. BK, Chap and most of the non-active GMs shouldn't in contention |
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Post by TinyTimPig on Feb 26, 2021 13:22:23 GMT -5
Are we going to do a poll for every GM and let everybody vote up or down if they should be on the Council of Reason Some GMs shouldn't be allowed to be included. BK, Chap and most of the non-active GMs shouldn't in contention But does the rest of the league feel this way? A poll for every GM would clearly answer these questions. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 13:41:34 GMT -5
Some GMs shouldn't be allowed to be included. BK, Chap and most of the non-active GMs shouldn't in contention But does the rest of the league feel this way? A poll for every GM would clearly answer these questions.
i'd be down to set up a council of reason tournament it would be fun
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Post by bankz on Feb 26, 2021 13:51:46 GMT -5
But does the rest of the league feel this way? A poll for every GM would clearly answer these questions.
i'd be down to set up a council of reason tournament it would be fun
This is a unserious take and why I voted no. If we get full details (outside of the members) I will switch my vote |
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Post by Mike on Feb 26, 2021 14:49:28 GMT -5
interested to hear the reasoning behind the 5 no votes fuck counsil, 313 |
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Post by Handsome Pete on Feb 26, 2021 14:53:59 GMT -5
Sounds reasonable
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