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Post by eric on Mar 14, 2022 12:54:43 GMT -5
20s Ankly b. A. (good 2023) Chaps delap Dirt Druce Fason Handsome Pete Herby New Year! @jayz93j kc kingb4yah Majic mazunga Mike pointyegg Sapular TinyTimPig Trofie troybarnes Yawn of the Deadcurrent rule Cuts of players with at least $10m total contract value, amnesties, and buyouts operate on the following schedule: After sim 10 is posted, none until after the playoffs. After the end of playoffs is posted, players become free agents at the next processing period. After 7:30 PM the following day, none until after FA. After FA day 5 is posted, players go on the waiver wire until sim 2 is posted. After sim 2 is posted, players go on the waiver wire until the next processing period. proposed rule Cuts of players with at least $10m total contract value, amnesties, and buyouts operate on the following schedule: After sim 10 is posted, none until after FA. After FA day 5 is posted, players go on the waiver wire until sim 2 is posted. After sim 2 is posted, players go on the waiver wire until the next processing period. this will disincentivize teams from making offers with impunity and increase the value of cap space, which further disincentivizes teams from making offers with impunity changing the time when a team can amnesty rather than the cost keeps teams that amnesty For The Right Reasons in the same spot they're in now
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Post by TinyTimPig on Mar 14, 2022 12:56:32 GMT -5
If I'm reading this correctly, the big change is no amnesties between sim 10 and the end of FA?
Seems like a move in the right direction.
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Post by Sapular on Mar 14, 2022 12:58:56 GMT -5
I agree. I am reading it the same as Tim I think it helps a ton. You don't get the benefit of the player for playoffs to only amnesty him to go after a different player that may be cheaper or better
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Post by Majic on Mar 14, 2022 13:11:43 GMT -5
This is a step in the right direction and I like it.
I would still like to see it even more strict but I like this change.
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Post by Druce on Mar 14, 2022 13:33:43 GMT -5
can we include a cap like 1 amnesty every 3 years? eric |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 14, 2022 13:44:17 GMT -5
I feel like this should be grandfathered in but it's probably for the best.
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Post by Majic on Mar 14, 2022 13:49:07 GMT -5
can we include a cap like 1 amnesty every 3 years? eric I would love this addition as well. |
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Post by 20s on Mar 15, 2022 8:25:21 GMT -5
I do
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Post by eric on Mar 15, 2022 12:48:38 GMT -5
for now i intend to move forward with this proposal with an official announcement post on sim 2
we can make further adjustments in either direction once we see how it plays out
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Post by Ankly on Apr 8, 2022 13:27:53 GMT -5
I think early returns on this one have been bad.
Handcuffs teams in the offseason and funnels more players into waiver wire.
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Post by Herby New Year! on Apr 8, 2022 14:57:16 GMT -5
Why is that bad?
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Post by Ankly on Apr 8, 2022 15:00:27 GMT -5
The waiver wire might be the most universally loathed feature of 6.0. Pushing more significant players through it isn't good. It's not as bad as contraction waivers, but it's still lame that elite teams like the Knicks and Raptors can add guys for $10 million despite being well over the soft cap. |
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Post by killiam bing on Apr 8, 2022 15:30:00 GMT -5
Its possible this is a temporary effect. Teams are having to get rid of a bunch of players signed under the more forgiving rule, and will be less likely to offer or take on those deals now. So its possible it could alleviate in a few seasons.
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Post by Herby New Year! on Apr 8, 2022 16:24:54 GMT -5
The waiver wire might be the most universally loathed feature of 6.0. Pushing more significant players through it isn't good. It's not as bad as contraction waivers, but it's still lame that elite teams like the Knicks and Raptors can add guys for $10 million despite being well over the soft cap. Sounds like a potentially positive cool new cap management feature. |
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Post by Sapular on Apr 8, 2022 16:32:54 GMT -5
The waiver wire might be the most universally loathed feature of 6.0. Pushing more significant players through it isn't good. It's not as bad as contraction waivers, but it's still lame that elite teams like the Knicks and Raptors can add guys for $10 million despite being well over the soft cap. Sounds like a potentially positive cool new cap management feature. That is exactly how I view it. It's like 2nd FA. You want to save some cap room for the contracts that aren't worth it and get amnestied. I think it is a second layer of planning. |
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Post by TinyTimPig on Apr 8, 2022 17:01:34 GMT -5
The waiver wire might be the most universally loathed feature of 6.0. Pushing more significant players through it isn't good. It's not as bad as contraction waivers, but it's still lame that elite teams like the Knicks and Raptors can add guys for $10 million despite being well over the soft cap. Outside of contraction waivers I’m not sure I’ve ever heard someone complain about the waiver process. |
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Post by Majic on Apr 9, 2022 22:40:27 GMT -5
If we were concerned about the waiver process we could make one small change to improve it
Keep the waiver process for amnestied players but require the team making the claim to take on the full original contract.
This means more guys are funneling to FA but at least they can only be signed for 1 year before becoming FA’s.
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Post by eric on Apr 10, 2022 19:49:16 GMT -5
i feel like that doesn't directly address ankly's concern though, a team could still be well over the soft cap and add a $10m player. to my mind the direct solution would be a two step waiver: first allowing only soft cap bids, then allowing any bids (and adjusting the sim 10 deadline back one sim as a result)
now, other people have chimed in and said they don't share ankly's concern (and in fact see that part of the system as a feature not a bug) so i'm not saying we have to, just that if we do i think that's a more direct solution
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Post by eric on Apr 10, 2022 19:51:05 GMT -5
and one other thought i forgot to include - i want to keep as far away from the first post first serve system as possible so i'd rather add an intermediate system than remove one
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Post by Ankly on Apr 10, 2022 20:01:38 GMT -5
and one other thought i forgot to include - i want to keep as far away from the first post first serve system as possible so i'd rather add an intermediate system than remove one Yeah I understand why waivers are necessary for this reason. But I kind of thought it unanimous that we prefer free agency to waivers as a way to "distribute" players. And if this new amnesty thing is indirectly leading to a whole lot more significant players going through waivers, then that's worth monitoring. |
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Post by killiam bing on Apr 11, 2022 8:10:39 GMT -5
and one other thought i forgot to include - i want to keep as far away from the first post first serve system as possible so i'd rather add an intermediate system than remove one Yeah I understand why waivers are necessary for this reason. But I kind of thought it unanimous that we prefer free agency to waivers as a way to "distribute" players. And if this new amnesty thing is indirectly leading to a whole lot more significant players going through waivers, then that's worth monitoring. make sure to claim your 25k at the end of the season for being the waivers monitor |
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