GM vacancies (324 views)

[IanBoyd]

Been brought up in shout a few times, my take is that the sign up thread post order shouldn't be the determining factor in who gets a replacement spot.

That decision imo should be put to a vote, with the options being all the current names on the sign up thread being under consideration, since the idea is to get the most active GMs in the league, not just whoever signed up first in the waiting list thread.

[bankz]

I say we vote on the new GM to take over.

[TinyTimPig]

When do you propose this would be implemented?

I constructed my team based on the current order of the waiting list so we’d need to wait until at least 3006.

[20s]

Feb 1, 2021 23:01:55 GMT -5 TinyTimPig said:

When do you propose this would be implemented?

I constructed my team based on the current order of the waiting list so we’d need to wait until at least 3006.

In what way would that affect your team construction? Also, the waiting list is fluid, people could drop off or add their names to it at any point. 

So basing your team construction off the current order seems very strange. 

[Deleted]

both of these options are stupid. it should be first come first served. if youre on the waiting list and a team is open, the person who is the most active will get the team.

this just incentivizes people to skip over people who would be good GMs because of personal reasons. Or skipping over a good active guy like sapular because you guys are hankering to have MJ quit the league for the 20th time

[IanBoyd]

Feb 2, 2021 8:59:02 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

this just incentivizes people to skip over people who would be good GMs because of personal reasons. Or skipping over a good active guy like sapular because you guys are hankering to have MJ quit the league for the 20th time

This is the exact situation we're trying to avoid by making it a voting based decision shit for brains.

[Soup]

Feb 2, 2021 8:59:02 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

both of these options are stupid. it should be first come first served. if youre on the waiting list and a team is open, the person who is the most active will get the team.

you're contradicting yourself here.

is it first come, first serve or is it the person who is most active will get the team?

[Deleted]

Feb 2, 2021 9:08:19 GMT -5 Soup said:

Feb 2, 2021 8:59:02 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

both of these options are stupid. it should be first come first served. if youre on the waiting list and a team is open, the person who is the most active will get the team.

you're contradicting yourself here.

is it first come, first serve or is it the person who is most active will get the team?

if you're active you'll be the first one to notice that a team has a vacancy. all of the other proboards leagues I'm in that has a waiting list does it this way, sometime we send an email out to everyone on the waiting list and the person who wants it the most will show up to claim the team.

[Deleted]

Feb 2, 2021 9:06:04 GMT -5 IanBoyd said:

Feb 2, 2021 8:59:02 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

this just incentivizes people to skip over people who would be good GMs because of personal reasons. Or skipping over a good active guy like sapular because you guys are hankering to have MJ quit the league for the 20th time

This is the exact situation we're trying to avoid by making it a voting based decision shit for brains.

seriously go fuck yourself your proposed solution literally doesn't solve what the scenario I laid out here. I don't trust half of the gms here to vote in what is the best interest of the league, as we have seen repeatedly when the panties immediately bunch when any league improvements are attempted

[bankz]

Oh wow what a landslide result. Eric will listen and make this vote by GM correct. He listens to the people correct.

Thread.... check
Poll.... check
Discussion... check
Votes.... check

[bankz]

Feb 2, 2021 9:12:00 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:06:04 GMT -5 IanBoyd said:

This is the exact situation we're trying to avoid by making it a voting based decision shit for brains.

seriously go fuck yourself your proposed solution literally doesn't solve what the scenario I laid out here. I don't trust half of the gms here to vote in what is the best interest of the league, as we have seen repeatedly when the panties immediately bunch when any league improvements are attempted

Well you should speak to the 5.0 GMs about that.  They seem to want it there way or the highway telling new GMs to quit if they don’t like it.  

[Soup]

Feb 2, 2021 9:10:41 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:08:19 GMT -5 Soup said:

you're contradicting yourself here.

is it first come, first serve or is it the person who is most active will get the team?

if you're active you'll be the first one to notice that a team has a vacancy. all of the other proboards leagues I'm in that has a waiting list does it this way, sometime we send an email out to everyone on the waiting list and the person who wants it the most will show up to claim the team.

i still don't understand. you're saying GMs signed up should be able to claim it as it opens? no matter where they're signed up on the waiting list?

[bankz]

Feb 2, 2021 9:15:59 GMT -5 Soup said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:10:41 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

if you're active you'll be the first one to notice that a team has a vacancy. all of the other proboards leagues I'm in that has a waiting list does it this way, sometime we send an email out to everyone on the waiting list and the person who wants it the most will show up to claim the team.

i still don't understand. you're saying GMs signed up should be able to claim it as it opens? no matter where they're signed up on the waiting list?

Basically... we have a sign up list so they can then be informed a spot is open and the first response gets the team.  Flawless system

[Deleted]

Feb 2, 2021 9:15:59 GMT -5 Soup said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:10:41 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

if you're active you'll be the first one to notice that a team has a vacancy. all of the other proboards leagues I'm in that has a waiting list does it this way, sometime we send an email out to everyone on the waiting list and the person who wants it the most will show up to claim the team.

i still don't understand. you're saying GMs signed up should be able to claim it as it opens? no matter where they're signed up on the waiting list?

yes. the waiting list is just a list of people to send a message to when a team opens up. Then the most dedicated/active gm will naturally be the first person to show up and actually claim the team. or we can have some crazy league-wide vote that would exclude members that people have personal grudges against or prefer members that people personally like.

[Soup]

Feb 2, 2021 9:18:31 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:15:59 GMT -5 Soup said:

i still don't understand. you're saying GMs signed up should be able to claim it as it opens? no matter where they're signed up on the waiting list?

yes. the waiting list is just a list of people to send a message to when a team opens up. Then the most dedicated/active gm will naturally be the first person to show up and actually claim the team. or we can have some crazy league-wide vote that would exclude members that people have personal grudges against or prefer members that people personally like.

my God what a horrible idea. 

[Deleted]

Feb 2, 2021 9:22:06 GMT -5 Soup said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:18:31 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

yes. the waiting list is just a list of people to send a message to when a team opens up. Then the most dedicated/active gm will naturally be the first person to show up and actually claim the team. or we can have some crazy league-wide vote that would exclude members that people have personal grudges against or prefer members that people personally like.

my God what a horrible idea. 

yeah it's worked out so poorly for the other proboards sim leagues I'm in that constantly have waiting lists because the league remains full

[IanBoyd]

Feb 2, 2021 9:12:00 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:06:04 GMT -5 IanBoyd said:

This is the exact situation we're trying to avoid by making it a voting based decision shit for brains.

seriously go fuck yourself your proposed solution literally doesn't solve what the scenario I laid out here. I don't trust half of the gms here to vote in what is the best interest of the league, as we have seen repeatedly when the panties immediately bunch when any league improvements are attempted

Mj is signed up before sapular, passing the poll means we can have a discussion on why sap, an active participant, could get the job before mj does you paste eating moron.

[20s]

No need for the personal attacks, gentlemen. This aggression will not stand.

[Deleted]

Feb 2, 2021 9:23:48 GMT -5 IanBoyd said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:12:00 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

seriously go fuck yourself your proposed solution literally doesn't solve what the scenario I laid out here. I don't trust half of the gms here to vote in what is the best interest of the league, as we have seen repeatedly when the panties immediately bunch when any league improvements are attempted

Mj is signed up before sapular, passing the poll means we can have a discussion on why sap, an active participant, could get the job before mj does you paste eating moron.

i mean i would agree that your poll makes the situation better but it doesn't make it the best. my bad for suggesting a solution that works for other leagues with similar issues. I guess not supporting the lesser of two evils in a poll decision makes me a paste eating moron. I'd also appreciate you to stop calling me a paste eating moron for these reasons as well because my entirely valid (though people can feel free to disagree) points about how this poll is limiting and doesnt present all the options are not a reason to insult someone.

Your solution opens up a new problem (favoritism for open teams based on who currents GMs personally like/dislike), while only possibly solving the issue (inactive gms get teams before potential active gms). Pointing this out doesn't make me stupid.

[delap]

I read the title as "GM Vaccines" and got excited that we had got our hands on 29 shots for distribution.

Now I'm less enthused.

[Soup]

Feb 2, 2021 9:22:54 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:22:06 GMT -5 Soup said:

my God what a horrible idea. 

yeah it's worked out so poorly for the other proboards sim leagues I'm in that constantly have waiting lists because the league remains full

if it worked out poorly why do you want to implement it here?

[bankz]

Never did I think a day would come where someone would have me aligned directly with Ian. But guys... it’s happened.

[jhb]

Feb 2, 2021 9:28:53 GMT -5 delap said:

I read the title as "GM Vaccines" and got excited that we had got our hands on 29 shots for distribution.

Now I'm less enthused.

58*

[delap]

Feb 2, 2021 9:48:07 GMT -5 jhb said:

Feb 2, 2021 9:28:53 GMT -5 delap said:

I read the title as "GM Vaccines" and got excited that we had got our hands on 29 shots for distribution.

Now I'm less enthused.

58*

Maybe they are the new J&J shots, Mr. WiseGuy

[eric]

since we do not do post facto changes, the GMs who are currently signed up on the waiting list will be processed under the rules they signed up under - first come, first served

here are the two big problems with current GM votes to determine who gets in:

1. current GMs are lousy at knowing which prospective GMs will stick, because it's impossible to tell. nobody brings a GM to the league they think is going to do nothing and flake out, everybody thinks their guy will be an active participant, and we are literally right now seeing how well that prognostication goes. therefore, since adding a GM vote does not improve accuracy, we cannot gain and will lose - as BK accurately observes, there are going to be hard feelings generated by this process

2. a 7 vote majority in a thread or in shout does not represent the league; it's actually less than 25% of the league. if we're going to have minority rule, it makes a lot more sense for that minority to have no bias or ulterior motives - and that minority would be me

.

here is the one big problem with having a huge argument about the waiting list: it's temporary. i joined the league six years ago and in all that time there has never been a full league where everyone was active

not once

so everyone just relax. we'll burn off the creation GMs who were never that into it, we'll burn through the waitlist, we'll end up with about 20 active GMs just like every iteration of sim league. this is a solution in search of a problem

[bankz]

Feb 2, 2021 10:54:52 GMT -5 eric said:

since we do not do post facto changes, the GMs who are currently signed up on the waiting list will be processed under the rules they signed up under - first come, first served

here are the two big problems with current GM votes to determine who gets in:

1. current GMs are lousy at knowing which prospective GMs will stick, because it's impossible to tell. nobody brings a GM to the league they think is going to do nothing and flake out, everybody thinks their guy will be an active participant, and we are literally right now seeing how well that prognostication goes. therefore, since adding a GM vote does not improve accuracy, we cannot gain and will lose - as BK accurately observes, there are going to be hard feelings generated by this process

2. a 7 vote majority in a thread or in shout does not represent the league; it's actually less than 25% of the league. if we're going to have minority rule, it makes a lot more sense for that minority to have no bias or ulterior motives - and that minority would be me

.

here is the one big problem with having a huge argument about the waiting list: it's temporary. i joined the league six years ago and in all that time there has never been a full league where everyone was active

not once

so everyone just relax. we'll burn off the creation GMs who were never that into it, we'll burn through the waitlist, we'll end up with about 20 active GMs just like every iteration of sim league. this is a solution in search of a problem

1.0 and 3.0 was active and full for a long time.   Sorry your experience in 5.0 has been subpar! 

[20s]

Feb 2, 2021 11:07:23 GMT -5 bankz said:

Feb 2, 2021 10:54:52 GMT -5 eric said:

since we do not do post facto changes, the GMs who are currently signed up on the waiting list will be processed under the rules they signed up under - first come, first served

here are the two big problems with current GM votes to determine who gets in:

1. current GMs are lousy at knowing which prospective GMs will stick, because it's impossible to tell. nobody brings a GM to the league they think is going to do nothing and flake out, everybody thinks their guy will be an active participant, and we are literally right now seeing how well that prognostication goes. therefore, since adding a GM vote does not improve accuracy, we cannot gain and will lose - as BK accurately observes, there are going to be hard feelings generated by this process

2. a 7 vote majority in a thread or in shout does not represent the league; it's actually less than 25% of the league. if we're going to have minority rule, it makes a lot more sense for that minority to have no bias or ulterior motives - and that minority would be me

.

here is the one big problem with having a huge argument about the waiting list: it's temporary. i joined the league six years ago and in all that time there has never been a full league where everyone was active

not once

so everyone just relax. we'll burn off the creation GMs who were never that into it, we'll burn through the waitlist, we'll end up with about 20 active GMs just like every iteration of sim league. this is a solution in search of a problem

1.0 and 3.0 was active and full for a long time.   Sorry your experience in 5.0 has been subpar! 

3.0 was 1 season

[IanBoyd]

lol