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Post by kc on Jul 21, 2021 23:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by Trofie on Jul 22, 2021 8:14:34 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't disagree more on Nene. He was a complete non take for me. Noah actually came into the league with A- reb as well, but Noah had better defense. Nene has elite jumping , strength, quickness for a big guy with shitty blocks(Dunleavy has higher blocks). He won't ever be a low usage guy and you won't be able to save his offense. He's a 4.0 shit big that rebounds
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Post by Trofie on Jul 22, 2021 8:18:33 GMT -5
Also Dunleavy > Barnes. Its not close
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Post by Dirt on Jul 22, 2021 8:30:46 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't disagree more on Nene. He was a complete non take for me. Noah actually came into the league with A- reb as well, but Noah had better defense. Nene has elite jumping , strength, quickness for a big guy with shitty blocks(Dunleavy has higher blocks). He won't ever be a low usage guy and you won't be able to save his offense. He's a 4.0 shit big that rebounds He won't ever be a low usage guy? What do you mean? Like he will always shoot? |
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Post by Trofie on Jul 22, 2021 8:31:56 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't disagree more on Nene. He was a complete non take for me. Noah actually came into the league with A- reb as well, but Noah had better defense. Nene has elite jumping , strength, quickness for a big guy with shitty blocks(Dunleavy has higher blocks). He won't ever be a low usage guy and you won't be able to save his offense. He's a 4.0 shit big that rebounds He won't ever be a low usage guy? What do you mean? Like he will always shoot? Yes |
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Post by Dirt on Jul 22, 2021 8:32:10 GMT -5
Also Noah and Nene are completely different bigs. One had 60 pot and had 20 more inside than the other.
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Post by Dirt on Jul 22, 2021 8:32:49 GMT -5
He won't ever be a low usage guy? What do you mean? Like he will always shoot? Yes 40 inside is the lowest I've ever seen. Inside and jumper is more important for volume than anything else...imo |
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Post by Trofie on Jul 22, 2021 8:37:31 GMT -5
40 inside is the lowest I've ever seen. Inside and jumper is more important for volume than anything else...imo I've also never seen a big with the physical attributes of Nene not shoot. Nene has like 10 less inside than Oden started with but more athletic and less blocks. So best case scenario is a better rebounding Oden who shoots 50% from the line instead of 88%. You need like 3 dream tc's for him to be decent. |
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Post by bankz on Jul 22, 2021 8:50:10 GMT -5
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Post by Odin on Jul 22, 2021 8:52:49 GMT -5
fun story, i made this offer to pete to try to draft wilcox lakers 1.8 1.11 '12 1.5 for bobs '13 1.6 '14 1.6 '14 1.9 '12 1.13 |
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Post by bankz on Jul 22, 2021 9:02:09 GMT -5
That’s a strong offer…
Also moral of the story is send Bankz your scouts prior to our draft pod that way I can gush over your picks on air.
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Post by Odin on Jul 22, 2021 9:03:30 GMT -5
i'll try to remember that
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Post by Handsome Pete on Jul 22, 2021 9:08:34 GMT -5
fun story, i made this offer to pete to try to draft wilcox lakers 1.8 1.11 '12 1.5 for bobs '13 1.6 '14 1.6 '14 1.9 '12 1.13 Was a good offer. I didn't want to keep delaying my team building window and really liked the players still on the board in this draft. But in a vacuum I think you would've overpaid for sure. |
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Post by Odin on Jul 22, 2021 9:12:09 GMT -5
fun story, i made this offer to pete to try to draft wilcox Was a good offer. I didn't want to keep delaying my team building window and really liked the players still on the board in this draft. But in a vacuum I think you would've overpaid for sure. oh yeah, definite overpay. by a lot. |
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Post by Handsome Pete on Jul 22, 2021 9:23:03 GMT -5
Good pod.
My thinking on Boozer over Amare at 3 was that I wanted to come out of this draft with at least one surefire star. Amare could be better than Boozer in 4 seasons, or he could roll some bad TCs and only moderately improve from where he is now. Boozer doesn't need any TC luck to be a great scorer, and is still plenty young himself so I'm not worried about him peaking before the 1.1s come around.
For Dajuan Wagner, he's in the same boat as Amare. He's got 100 potential as a teenager and needs some TC growth, but thankfully the areas he's weakest in are high growth areas for SGs. I have been testing TC growth for a player with his potential and he's got a good chance to hit 50 3Pt rating before the end of his rookie deal, which I think will be enough. Not a guaranteed star but at 1.8 I think the upside made a ton of sense.
Nene will be an interesting experiment. His shot volume in college tells me Trofie is not wrong. Despite the 40 inside, he's probably going to shoot a fair amount. But his shotblocking and rebounding could grow to the point that he's a perennial DPOY candidate, and I think if I can put plenty of volume scorers around him, he won't shoot quite so much.
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Post by Handsome Pete on Jul 22, 2021 9:24:14 GMT -5
Was a good offer. I didn't want to keep delaying my team building window and really liked the players still on the board in this draft. But in a vacuum I think you would've overpaid for sure. oh yeah, definite overpay. by a lot. I was surprised you didn't trade back in as Wilcox fell in the draft |
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Post by Odin on Jul 22, 2021 9:24:40 GMT -5
70 75 35 53 70 33 35 50 50 60 38 55 50 30 50 60 Tayshaun Prince
i made the pick because, despite the strength, thats a damn good starting build with a lot of directions i can go with upgrades. do i max inside so he will be super efficient? do i max jumper to try to make low strength irrelevant? will the low strength make his volume so low that scoring attributes dont matter and a rebs or steals upgrade is the way to go?
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Post by Odin on Jul 22, 2021 9:26:19 GMT -5
oh yeah, definite overpay. by a lot. I was surprised you didn't trade back in as Wilcox fell in the draft man i tried. the draft was deep af and people didnt want to trade out. i regret not staying aggressive after wilcox went to grab gadzuric. |
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Post by Dirt on Jul 22, 2021 9:32:32 GMT -5
Good pod. My thinking on Boozer over Amare at 3 was that I wanted to come out of this draft with at least one surefire star. Amare could be better than Boozer in 4 seasons, or he could roll some bad TCs and only moderately improve from where he is now. Boozer doesn't need any TC luck to be a great scorer, and is still plenty young himself so I'm not worried about him peaking before the 1.1s come around. For Dajuan Wagner, he's in the same boat as Amare. He's got 100 potential as a teenager and needs some TC growth, but thankfully the areas he's weakest in are high growth areas for SGs. I have been testing TC growth for a player with his potential and he's got a good chance to hit 50 3Pt rating before the end of his rookie deal, which I think will be enough. Not a guaranteed star but at 1.8 I think the upside made a ton of sense. Nene will be an interesting experiment. His shot volume in college tells me Trofie is not wrong. Despite the 40 inside, he's probably going to shoot a fair amount. But his shotblocking and rebounding could grow to the point that he's a perennial DPOY candidate, and I think if I can put plenty of volume scorers around him, he won't shoot quite so much. 60k all around I have two points on Nene shooting: When he plays with other rookies with low inside of course he is going to shoot. If he's playing with 4 scorers he won't shoot near as much. If you draft nene and he is an outside focus big and that also takes shots away from him. |
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Post by Dirt on Jul 22, 2021 9:36:00 GMT -5
40 inside is the lowest I've ever seen. Inside and jumper is more important for volume than anything else...imo I've also never seen a big with the physical attributes of Nene not shoot. Nene has like 10 less inside than Oden started with but more athletic and less blocks. So best case scenario is a better rebounding Oden who shoots 50% from the line instead of 88%. You need like 3 dream tc's for him to be decent. With +40 he is Oden without ft% but Oden only shoots 2.6 FTA a game...I think his rookie year he is already decent. Also with 90 potential he could be a better rebounder and shotblocker than him. |
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Post by Trofie on Jul 22, 2021 9:52:41 GMT -5
I've also never seen a big with the physical attributes of Nene not shoot. Nene has like 10 less inside than Oden started with but more athletic and less blocks. So best case scenario is a better rebounding Oden who shoots 50% from the line instead of 88%. You need like 3 dream tc's for him to be decent. With +40 he is Oden without ft% but Oden only shoots 2.6 FTA a game...I think his rookie year he is already decent. Also with 90 potential he could be a better rebounder and shotblocker than him. I mean he will be an elite rebounder no matter what. I just think he will shoot too much for that to matter |
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Post by Dirt on Jul 22, 2021 10:00:54 GMT -5
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Post by Trofie on Jul 22, 2021 10:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by Majic on Jul 22, 2021 10:11:42 GMT -5
Also Dunleavy > Barnes. Its not close 60k Disagree, obviously. Dunleavy's low strength concerned me, I was willing to trade off a little on defense for the higher strength. Barnes should still be a quality defender based on where he is at, just lower steals than Dunleavy. |
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Post by Fason on Jul 22, 2021 10:18:23 GMT -5
65k each
How do I join one of these cartels? Do I pledge or do I have to start out as a mule?
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Post by Trofie on Jul 22, 2021 10:27:18 GMT -5
Also Dunleavy > Barnes. Its not close 60k Disagree, obviously. Dunleavy's low strength concerned me, I was willing to trade off a little on defense for the higher strength. Barnes should still be a quality defender based on where he is at, just lower steals than Dunleavy. Its not just a little defense though. Barnes can play Sg, that's his upside. Barnes has +25 strength on Dunleavy as well but Dunleavy is +5 jumper +23 handles +20 quickness +20 steals +5 blocks +5 dreb. I wouldn't change that for strength. |
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Post by Majic on Jul 22, 2021 11:02:24 GMT -5
Re: Gooden vs Scola
fully upgraded there ends up being a 15 difference in strength between them.
However, Scola is a worse defender and will either be a far worse FT shooter or worse rebounding.
After upgrades Gooden's strength will be in a reasonable range compared to other bigs that have entered the league. Given his higher ratings in other areas compared to Scola I thought it was worth the trade off.
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Post by Majic on Jul 22, 2021 12:24:18 GMT -5
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Post by Dirt on Jul 22, 2021 12:27:36 GMT -5
Re: Gooden vs Scola fully upgraded there ends up being a 15 difference in strength between them. However, Scola is a worse defender and will either be a far worse FT shooter or worse rebounding. After upgrades Gooden's strength will be in a reasonable range compared to other bigs that have entered the league. Given his higher ratings in other areas compared to Scola I thought it was worth the trade off. Gooden will have to improve inside via TC or hell just be a 2nd round type big. |
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Post by Majic on Jul 22, 2021 12:48:54 GMT -5
Re: Gooden vs Scola fully upgraded there ends up being a 15 difference in strength between them. However, Scola is a worse defender and will either be a far worse FT shooter or worse rebounding. After upgrades Gooden's strength will be in a reasonable range compared to other bigs that have entered the league. Given his higher ratings in other areas compared to Scola I thought it was worth the trade off. Gooden will have to improve inside via TC or hell just be a 2nd round type big. What? Of the roughly 60 scouts I have on bigs this is where Gooden Ranks coming in: Top 5 in starting inside grade Top jumpshot grades Top 3 overall rebounding grades Once upgraded his strength will be comparable to other bigs who were good/great players. Sure, would love to have the strength higher but I feel comfortable on where all his other stats put him. |
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