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Post by skrouse on Jul 13, 2021 12:21:31 GMT -5
This doesn't come up a lot but 20s and I were chatting in shout and really don't understand why this is limited.
The 5 Mil or less extension rule currently only applied to players signed during the Free Agency period, FADays 1 thru 5. It cannot be applied to someone signed in FA after that point.
I propose we change the extension rule to apply to anyone signed from Free Agency at anytime, not just those signed during the Free Agency Days 1 thru 5.
Thoughts?
This would not take effect until at least after this season, 3010 and forward.
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Post by eric on Jul 13, 2021 13:28:50 GMT -5
team a has a decent player on an expiring rookie contract, let's call them Rerrick Dose
team a trades that player to team b
team b cuts the player at a prearranged time, team a posts an fa signing immediately after
extends them
two years later...
team a trades that player to team b
team b cuts the player at a prearranged time, team a posts an fa signing immediately after
extends them
two years later...
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this is not practical with the current rule because the teams have no way of knowing if other teams will bid on the player in FA (since it is not required for a player to be an FA at the time the bid is sent), or whether the player will sign the deal they or anyone else offers (especially relevant with the $5m limit), or whether they'll have enough soft cap remaining to make the bid
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Post by skrouse on Jul 13, 2021 13:39:49 GMT -5
That scenario has a risk though, right? Because the player would have to clear waivers. And if the player clears waivers there should be no issue with a team extending that player's contract. You could actually make an argument that they'd be overpaying the player at that point if not one else was wiling to even pick them up for a min deal.
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Post by Odin on Jul 13, 2021 13:42:54 GMT -5
"players who are cut cant be signed until after the next sim is posted"
i fixed erics problem
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Post by Ankly on Jul 13, 2021 13:48:33 GMT -5
Do cut players go through waivers?
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Post by TinyTimPig on Jul 13, 2021 14:06:34 GMT -5
Cut players go through waivers if TCV is >$10m at the time of cutting
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Post by eric on Jul 13, 2021 14:21:02 GMT -5
That scenario has a risk though, right? Because the player would have to clear waivers. And if the player clears waivers there should be no issue with a team extending that player's contract. You could actually make an argument that they'd be overpaying the player at that point if not one else was wiling to even pick them up for a min deal. no waivers for players cut from contracts under $10m |
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Post by 20s on Jul 13, 2021 14:21:52 GMT -5
team a has a decent player on an expiring rookie contract, let's call them Rerrick Dose team a trades that player to team b team b cuts the player at a prearranged time, team a posts an fa signing immediately after extends them two years later... team a trades that player to team b team b cuts the player at a prearranged time, team a posts an fa signing immediately after extends them two years later... . this is not practical with the current rule because the teams have no way of knowing if other teams will bid on the player in FA (since it is not required for a player to be an FA at the time the bid is sent), or whether the player will sign the deal they or anyone else offers (especially relevant with the $5m limit), or whether they'll have enough soft cap remaining to make the bid thanks for presenting this case changed my vote to no, don't think the risk of these type of shenanigans is worth the reward of occassionally being able to extend a guy like Dinwiddie or Eddie Lee |
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Post by eric on Jul 13, 2021 14:26:09 GMT -5
"players who are cut cant be signed until after the next sim is posted" i fixed erics problem team b waits to cut the player until immediately before a prearranged sim, team a spams refresh, most of the league has no idea what's happening and since signings and cuts can be posted in trade threads even people actually on the board can easily miss it too we could fix that by making cuts having to be posted an hour before deadline, or make every cut player go through waivers (and we all know how much the league loves waivers), but how many additional new rules do we have to add (and all their ripple effects) before the OP rule just isn't worth the trouble |
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Post by skrouse on Jul 13, 2021 14:27:57 GMT -5
Do cut players go through waivers? Thought so but maybe not. |
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Post by TinyTimPig on Jul 13, 2021 14:28:03 GMT -5
we could fix that by making cuts having to be posted an hour before deadline The idea of an hour deadline for cuts and 30 minutes for everything else on most sim days is not appealing, and moving the deadline to an hour every day is not worth it. |
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Post by Odin on Jul 13, 2021 14:46:45 GMT -5
"players who are cut cant be signed until after the next sim is posted" i fixed erics problem team b waits to cut the player until immediately before a prearranged sim, team a spams refresh, most of the league has no idea what's happening and since signings and cuts can be posted in trade threads even people actually on the board can easily miss it too we could fix that by making cuts having to be posted an hour before deadline, or make every cut player go through waivers (and we all know how much the league loves waivers), but how many additional new rules do we have to add (and all their ripple effects) before the OP rule just isn't worth the trouble perhaps the sim following a 24 hour timer starting when the cut is posted. regardless, theres been several instances over the years that i would have used this proposed change. |
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Post by skrouse on Jul 13, 2021 15:11:03 GMT -5
What if we made the rule apply to any players that were signed in FA and were included in the most recent FA pool?
That eliminates the cut, resign, extend scenario.
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