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Post by Ankly on Jun 20, 2021 10:33:23 GMT -5
We should change contraction.
We probably need a 1-season compromise rather than completely changing the system for the upcoming Stags contraction. We should also make sure significant players aren't getting deleted as part of contraction.
short-term compromise: We keep the contraction rules as-is, but tanking DC rules apply this coming year. No IRing your best players and putting PGs at Center.
long term fix: get rid of contraction waivers. Players on contracted team end up in FA that offseason instead.
how to avoid the Brandon Bass situation: not as sure in this one. I guess more aggressively move players like Bass to IRs before sim 12?
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Post by Soup on Jun 20, 2021 10:35:28 GMT -5
i built my team based on current contraction rules, no changes for at least 5 seasons.
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Post by 20s on Jun 20, 2021 10:39:12 GMT -5
I support all changes.
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Post by Odin on Jun 20, 2021 10:41:24 GMT -5
like i said in shout, i think the positives of contraction for new gms far outweigh the negatives of the current system the 1 time every 50 seasons we have a gm with an elite team step down and the new gm not want to take the team.
if you think about it this is really fason's fault.
(not really, its bk's)
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Post by Ankly on Jun 20, 2021 10:47:43 GMT -5
like i said in shout, i think the positives of contraction for new gms far outweigh the negatives of the current system the 1 time every 50 seasons we have a gm with an elite team step down and the new gm not want to take the team. if you think about it this is really fason's fault. (not really, its bk's) No one is proposing we get rid of contraction. Please read OP. |
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Post by Odin on Jun 20, 2021 11:11:02 GMT -5
like i said in shout, i think the positives of contraction for new gms far outweigh the negatives of the current system the 1 time every 50 seasons we have a gm with an elite team step down and the new gm not want to take the team. if you think about it this is really fason's fault. (not really, its bk's) No one is proposing we get rid of contraction. Please read OP. getting rid of contraction waivers is also unnecessary. it has never been a problem before and it probably wont again anytime soon. this is a very unique situation. if the entire stags roster was placed into fa the whole league would amnesty half their team. its trading one problem for another, again, only in this unique situation. generally there arent 5 players worth taking on waivers so people dont see the need in tanking. this is, like always, a bk problem. minor dc rule changes would fix the egregiousness of this. pg and sg cant play pf or c. why this isnt already in the rules is confusing. |
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Post by Ankly on Jun 20, 2021 11:15:33 GMT -5
No one is proposing we get rid of contraction. Please read OP. if the entire stags roster was placed into fa the whole league would amnesty half their team. its trading one problem for another Doubt.jpg |
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Post by Odin on Jun 20, 2021 11:19:42 GMT -5
if the entire stags roster was placed into fa the whole league would amnesty half their team. its trading one problem for another Doubt.jpg look for how many we had just for chris paul |
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Post by Ankly on Jun 20, 2021 11:23:34 GMT -5
look for how many we had just for chris paul I don't view that as a problem (well, cheapness of amnesties might be, but that's separate). and half the guys amnestied should have been amnestied regardless. Randolph Morris and Darrell Walker. |
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Post by skrouse on Jun 20, 2021 12:09:34 GMT -5
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Post by Odin on Jun 20, 2021 12:14:36 GMT -5
what if we have contraction waivers in random order |
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Post by 20s on Jun 20, 2021 14:15:44 GMT -5
what if we have contraction waivers in random order I’m perfectly fine with this as well. Just don’t like how it’s making people try to make their team as bad as possible. |
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Post by eric on Jun 20, 2021 14:56:44 GMT -5
this is a woat poll
it confuses me why people thought contracted FAs wouldn't be treated as any other FA, but if people really want them to guaranteed survive and stick around into the next FA that's easy to do, barely an inconvenience. it will of course mean that less other FAs will dodge the reaper, but in general taking the league temperature that doesn't seem like a deal breaker
an idea raised in shout that i think is the most obvious anti tanking solution is to use the standings from the season before contraction is announced rather than from the season during/after
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Post by Majic on Jun 20, 2021 14:56:59 GMT -5
what if we have contraction waivers in random order I’m perfectly fine with this as well. Just don’t like how it’s making people try to make their team as bad as possible. Hard pass on this. I don’t mind the current setup but I’d rather there be no contract over random order. |
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Post by Majic on Jun 20, 2021 14:57:40 GMT -5
this is a woat poll it confuses me why people thought contracted FAs wouldn't be treated as any other FA, but if people really want them to guaranteed survive and stick around into the next FA that's easy to do, barely an inconvenience. it will of course mean that less other FAs will dodge the reaper, but in general taking the league temperature that doesn't seem like a deal breaker an idea raised in shout that i think is the most obvious anti tanking solution is to use the standings from the season before contraction is announced rather than from the season during/after I would support this idea. |
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Post by Ankly on Jun 20, 2021 16:00:47 GMT -5
this is a woat poll it confuses me why people thought contracted FAs wouldn't be treated as any other FA, but if people really want them to guaranteed survive and stick around into the next FA that's easy to do, barely an inconvenience. it will of course mean that less other FAs will dodge the reaper, but in general taking the league temperature that doesn't seem like a deal breaker an idea raised in shout that i think is the most obvious anti tanking solution is to use the standings from the season before contraction is announced rather than from the season during/after What is wrong with having them in FA? waiver orders just seem lame to me. |
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Post by eric on Jun 20, 2021 16:15:50 GMT -5
this is a woat poll it confuses me why people thought contracted FAs wouldn't be treated as any other FA, but if people really want them to guaranteed survive and stick around into the next FA that's easy to do, barely an inconvenience. it will of course mean that less other FAs will dodge the reaper, but in general taking the league temperature that doesn't seem like a deal breaker an idea raised in shout that i think is the most obvious anti tanking solution is to use the standings from the season before contraction is announced rather than from the season during/after What is wrong with having them in FA? waiver orders just seem lame to me. this is two issues one is if contracted players should be guaranteed to make it to the next season at all - every other FA isn't two is what should happen once they are there. if they go directly into fa then we escalate the negative incentive by moving it from current season record to clearing the next season's books, multiplied by in-fa waivers skipping the wire and also going directly into fa |
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Post by Ankly on Jun 20, 2021 16:29:41 GMT -5
What is wrong with having them in FA? waiver orders just seem lame to me. this is two issues one is if contracted players should be guaranteed to make it to the next season at all - every other FA isn't two is what should happen once they are there. if they go directly into fa then we escalate the negative incentive by moving it from current season record to clearing the next season's books, multiplied by in-fa waivers skipping the wire and also going directly into fa regarding point 2, I don't see how that's am escalation at all. Clearing the books so you can bid on free agents is not some sort of plague on the league. Seems far better to me to disperse contracted assets via FA compared to some waiver order. |
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Post by eric on Jun 20, 2021 17:09:20 GMT -5
this is two issues one is if contracted players should be guaranteed to make it to the next season at all - every other FA isn't two is what should happen once they are there. if they go directly into fa then we escalate the negative incentive by moving it from current season record to clearing the next season's books, multiplied by in-fa waivers skipping the wire and also going directly into fa regarding point 2, I don't see how that's am escalation at all. Clearing the books so you can bid on free agents is not some sort of plague on the league. Seems far better to me to disperse contracted assets via FA compared to some waiver order. the question is not what is, but what will be we don't have to ask whether more people will amnesty players to get a shot at a borderline top 30 player, we know they will the problem we claim to care about is people purposefully making their teams worse - if that's true, both contraction waivers based on current season record and direct free agency incentivize doing that, so neither is an acceptable approach |
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Post by Fason on Jun 20, 2021 19:06:55 GMT -5
Not even officially in the league and caused a form of tanking in 6.0
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Post by bankz on Jun 20, 2021 19:12:42 GMT -5
Not even officially in the league and caused a form of tanking in 6.0  Why do you want to start fresh? Sorry if I missed the explanation but the Stags are freaking loaded. Seems like a good spot to slide into and hell if you wanted to off-load and tank it out you could get way more in return keeping the roster as is and trading the pieces off. |
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Post by Fason on Jun 20, 2021 19:23:01 GMT -5
I’d rather not be born on 3rd base, that feels like a no win situation. Even if I traded everyone it wouldn’t be fun to be handed a bunch of top 10 picks.
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Post by bankz on Jun 20, 2021 19:23:54 GMT -5
I’d rather not be born on 3rd base, that feels like a no win situation. Even if I traded everyone it wouldn’t be fun to be handed a bunch of top 10 picks. That's fair... Welcome aboard. |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Jun 20, 2021 19:26:31 GMT -5
I’d rather not be born on 3rd base, that feels like a no win situation. Even if I traded everyone it wouldn’t be fun to be handed a bunch of top 10 picks. I don't blame you. If you were handed a bunch of top 10 picks Bankz would never leave you the fuck alone. |
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