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Post by eric on Apr 18, 2021 20:23:30 GMT -5
I'm planning a series of state of the sim league posts after playoffs. Among these will be adjustments to bring direct currency coaches into alignment.
Box score rewards will be overhauled so teams on average get 20k, so the social media consultant will on average be worth 20k.
The director of scouting is going to have its limit increased from four to seven scouts, so a 5k expenditure has a max return of 35k for a max profit of 30k.
Additionally, scouts will only be able to be traded for other scouts on a 1:1 basis.
That leaves the sports scientist upgrades coach. There are six trades of currency for '04 upgrade points straight up (297 329 332 333 335 340) over which the average currency per ten upgrade points is 47k. This effectively makes the sports scientist assistant coach (+10 upgrades) worth 47k, much more than the other direct currency coaches now and after the above changes. I see two fundamental paths to parity.
This is the discussion part:
1. A team that hires a sports scientist cannot trade away their upgrades in the same season, and a team that has traded away their upgrades in a given season cannot hire a sports scientist.
2. Upgrade points cannot be traded for more than 20k currency.
I don't think the second path is as promising since as we've already seen upgrades can also be traded for a lot of other things than just currency, and while I think it remains somewhat promising I'm strongly leaning towards the first path right now, so GMs are encouraged to comment soon.
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Post by skrouse on Apr 18, 2021 20:30:16 GMT -5
You had me until the Sports Scientist, leave that alone imo. The coaches don't need to be balanced based on return of currency, they involve opportunity cost when it comes to competing for a title.  |
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Post by 20s on Apr 18, 2021 20:33:36 GMT -5
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Post by Odin on Apr 18, 2021 20:42:34 GMT -5
other: no changes
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Post by Odin on Apr 18, 2021 20:43:29 GMT -5
buffs and nerfs will just make a new meta in which something else will be abused.
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Post by bankz on Apr 18, 2021 20:46:06 GMT -5
Who asked for this?
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Post by 20s on Apr 18, 2021 20:53:10 GMT -5
Eric took it upon himself because the assistant coach options right now are not even. |
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Post by eric on Apr 18, 2021 21:13:34 GMT -5
i don't expect any gm to ask for their own path to be made harder. you pursue the path of best benefit for you, as you should. i pursue the path of best benefit for the league, as i should i think the proposal i mentioned has the best balance between buff and nerf to bring things into balance. i'm not telling you it's buffs only, i would prefer buffs only but i don't think that is practical from where we are now. |
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Post by eric on Apr 18, 2021 21:15:16 GMT -5
You had me until the Sports Scientist, leave that alone imo. The coaches don't need to be balanced based on return of currency, they involve opportunity cost when it comes to competing for a title. my point is that we have multiple coaches that don't involve competing for a title in that season, and they should be closer to balance with each other. this also goes to odin's point - i am not claiming this will make there be no best choice, only that we can be reasonably sure the distance between the best and second best choices will be smaller |
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Post by Odin on Apr 18, 2021 21:16:45 GMT -5
ive had an assistant coach overhaul in the back of my mind for a while. i'll try to get it fleshed out and posted tomorrow since we're on the subject.
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Post by Herby New Year! on Apr 18, 2021 21:53:12 GMT -5
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Post by 20s on Apr 18, 2021 22:01:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 22:06:13 GMT -5
make uppies coach just give 5 points?
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Post by skrouse on Apr 18, 2021 22:08:28 GMT -5
make uppies coach just give 5 points? Limit trades before decreasing the reward imo |
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Post by Herby New Year! on Apr 18, 2021 22:14:06 GMT -5
Sounds like something someone with a guilty conscience would say. |
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Post by skrouse on Apr 19, 2021 7:03:00 GMT -5
Would option 1 still allow for a 1:1 swap? Is the only concern around getting 50K or more for upgrades?
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Post by Herby New Year! on Apr 19, 2021 9:25:57 GMT -5
Would option 1 still allow for a 1:1 swap? Is the only concern around getting 50K or more for upgrades? Seems like an obvious loophole if you could get the coach in 3005, swap your 10 extra 3005 uppies for 3006, get a different coach in 3006 and sell the uppies for 50k. |
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Post by skrouse on Apr 19, 2021 10:36:10 GMT -5
Would option 1 still allow for a 1:1 swap? Is the only concern around getting 50K or more for upgrades? Seems like an obvious loophole if you could get the coach in 3005, swap your 10 extra 3005 uppies for 3006, get a different coach in 3006 and sell the uppies for 50k. Doesn't sound like a loophole to me  You're not cashing in on the rewards of the coach. I could trade something else for 10 upgrades in 06 and still sell them for 50K.
I'm also assuming that option 1 only applies to your teams upgrades. If I have the coach and trade for upgrades from another team, I should still be able to trade those upgrades for 50K if the market dictates it.
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Post by Herby New Year! on Apr 19, 2021 10:55:13 GMT -5
Seems like an obvious loophole if you could get the coach in 3005, swap your 10 extra 3005 uppies for 3006, get a different coach in 3006 and sell the uppies for 50k. Doesn't sound like a loophole to me You're not cashing in on the rewards of the coach. I could trade something else for 10 upgrades in 06 and still sell them for 50K.
I'm also assuming that option 1 only applies to your teams upgrades. If I have the coach and trade for upgrades from another team, I should still be able to trade those upgrades for 50K if the market dictates it.
Presumably the thing you're trading is worth 50k because you're getting an asset (10 uppies) worth 50k. The issue is that everyone has a free 40 uppies per year. The coach gives your team 50 in a given year. Eric's observation is that the value of that coach, if you can sell the uppies for 50k, is too high relative to the value of other coaches. By trading the uppies from the coach year to the non-coach year, you're moving the year in which you have extra uppies and avoiding the application of the rule. That is a loophole. Or, for lawyers that don't like perjorative terms like loophole, a "glitch." |
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Post by skrouse on Apr 19, 2021 11:11:34 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like a loophole to me You're not cashing in on the rewards of the coach. I could trade something else for 10 upgrades in 06 and still sell them for 50K.
I'm also assuming that option 1 only applies to your teams upgrades. If I have the coach and trade for upgrades from another team, I should still be able to trade those upgrades for 50K if the market dictates it.
Presumably the thing you're trading is worth 50k because you're getting an asset (10 uppies) worth 50k. The issue is that everyone has a free 40 uppies per year. The coach gives your team 50 in a given year. Eric's observation is that the value of that coach, if you can sell the uppies for 50k, is too high relative to the value of other coaches. By trading the uppies from the coach year to the non-coach year, you're moving the year in which you have extra uppies and avoiding the application of the rule. That is a loophole. Or, for lawyers that don't like perjorative terms like loophole, a "glitch." I guess I don't care then if we block them. I don't think I fall into the category of using the coach sell the upgrades. When I use the coach I'm looking to acquire additional upgrades. If I'm swapping selling future upgrades for current, I plan to use the current and the year I'm selling in the future, I would plan to use a diff coach, like S&C or DC.
So I think I'm good with these changes.
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Post by eric on Apr 19, 2021 11:27:56 GMT -5
Would option 1 still allow for a 1:1 swap? Is the only concern around getting 50K or more for upgrades? no trading of any kind of your upgrades other team's upgrades would still be tradeable due to not being your upgrades |
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Post by 20s on Apr 19, 2021 11:43:02 GMT -5
no, it's gotta be your bull
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Post by Odin on Apr 19, 2021 15:25:20 GMT -5
get rid of upgrade trading and remove the cap on skrouse that can be traded
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