BSR Network Presents: The Draft Guru's 3005 Mock Draft (498 views)

[bankz]

BSR Network Presents: The Draft Guru's 3005 Mock Draft 

[IanBoyd]

50k

[skrouse]

50K - not sure I agree with all of the assessments but you have scouts and I dont so maybe the grades are a bit misleading. Def. not feeling the mocked selection for the Magic but we'll see what happens.

I do agree with the overall sentiment of the class being a disappointment

[bankz]

Apr 17, 2021 8:26:42 GMT -5 skrouse said:

50K - not sure I agree with all of the assessments but you have scouts and I dont so maybe the grades are a bit misleading. Def. not feeling the mocked selection for the Magic but we'll see what happens.

I do agree with the overall sentiment of the class being a disappointment

Yeah I think the top guys of this class all we’re head scratching builds. Not to say they will be bad players. I think you have good players. Just a disconnect from profiles to finished product.

Also class to class it makes no sense how guys like David Lee and Gasol are made compared to Webber.

[Sapular]

50K

[20s]

50k, good job guys

I learned listening to this that Adam Haluska was an All Star

[delap]

41k

[bankz]

Apr 17, 2021 18:03:36 GMT -5 20s said:

50k, good job guys

I learned listening to this that Adam Haluska was an All Star

Have you not seen the GBG 2K video?

[20s]

Apr 17, 2021 18:53:51 GMT -5 bankz said:

Apr 17, 2021 18:03:36 GMT -5 20s said:

50k, good job guys

I learned listening to this that Adam Haluska was an All Star

Have you not seen the GBG 2K video?

No, I watched last year but wasn’t around this year. 

[bankz]

Apr 17, 2021 18:58:00 GMT -5 20s said:

Apr 17, 2021 18:53:51 GMT -5 bankz said:

Have you not seen the GBG 2K video?

No, I watched last year but wasn’t around this year. 

I think he has it VOD so you can check it out when you got some free time. 

[eric]

when i balance classes i look class wide and evaluate on attributes. it's not just that i don't care about grades, i literally never even look at them until i upload the file and want to make sure i didn't forget to fix shown potential. on the basis of attributes i do not expect this class to differ significantly from the previous four (more on this in the imminent state of the sim league posts). i do it this way because "franchise changer" or "star" or any other similar term is subjective, imposes arbitrary cutoffs, and everyone will have different definitions, it's just a waste of everyone's time to argue whether any prospect is or isn't in whichever bin

when i read profiles i take into account all the positives and all the negatives. breaking down webber's scoring:
pro "He uses a right-handed jump hook and a quick spin move on the baseline to finish on most opponents,"
con "it's effective at the college level but he'll need to add some counters and fakes to fool better defenders."
con "His footwork could use some improvement as well,"
pro "but he has a knack for finishing once he gets into a position to score and that will help carry his game as he works on the finer points."
pro "He shoots a flat jump shot with fair range. He took a fair amount of three pointers for a big man."
con "Mechanically, he has fair form on his shot but he is still inconsistent on hitting it. Somehow that form falls apart at the free throw line, where he never seems to be able to repeat his mechanics twice in a game."

breaking down david lee's scoring:
pro "He loves to dunk with authority, he moves well and is extremely quick in the post."
pro "His post footwork is excellent and he's great at establishing great position in the low post."
pro "He has great hands and receives the ball well and finishes with an equally soft touch."
pro "topping out at nearly 80% from the free throw line in his junior year"
pro "He's constantly expanded his range throughout his college career and may be a threat all the way out to the three point line at the next"
con "He may be more challenged in the paint by larger bigs and athletic help-side defenders at the next level,"
pro "but he should be able to score on Day 1."

this breakdown does not imply i just add them up and multiply by five, but it's really hard for me to understand how anyone could look at these two profiles and not expect lee to have better starting scoring attributes

was webber a better scorer than lee irl - i don't know and i don't care. the point of our system is that players are built off the profile and no other source of information, and there is plenty of time for people to discuss whether a profile is appropriate or not long before i make the players

[bankz]

Apr 19, 2021 15:01:51 GMT -5 eric said:

when i balance classes i look class wide and evaluate on attributes. it's not just that i don't care about grades, i literally never even look at them until i upload the file and want to make sure i didn't forget to fix shown potential. on the basis of attributes i do not expect this class to differ significantly from the previous four (more on this in the imminent state of the sim league posts). i do it this way because "franchise changer" or "star" or any other similar term is subjective, imposes arbitrary cutoffs, and everyone will have different definitions, it's just a waste of everyone's time to argue whether any prospect is or isn't in whichever bin

when i read profiles i take into account all the positives and all the negatives. breaking down webber's scoring:
pro "He uses a right-handed jump hook and a quick spin move on the baseline to finish on most opponents,"
con "it's effective at the college level but he'll need to add some counters and fakes to fool better defenders."
con "His footwork could use some improvement as well,"
pro "but he has a knack for finishing once he gets into a position to score and that will help carry his game as he works on the finer points."
pro "He shoots a flat jump shot with fair range. He took a fair amount of three pointers for a big man."
con "Mechanically, he has fair form on his shot but he is still inconsistent on hitting it. Somehow that form falls apart at the free throw line, where he never seems to be able to repeat his mechanics twice in a game."

breaking down david lee's scoring:
pro "He loves to dunk with authority, he moves well and is extremely quick in the post."
pro "His post footwork is excellent and he's great at establishing great position in the low post."
pro "He has great hands and receives the ball well and finishes with an equally soft touch."
pro "topping out at nearly 80% from the free throw line in his junior year"
pro "He's constantly expanded his range throughout his college career and may be a threat all the way out to the three point line at the next"
con "He may be more challenged in the paint by larger bigs and athletic help-side defenders at the next level,"
pro "but he should be able to score on Day 1."

this breakdown does not imply i just add them up and multiply by five, but it's really hard for me to understand how anyone could look at these two profiles and not expect lee to have better starting scoring attributes

was webber a better scorer than lee irl - i don't know and i don't care. the point of our system is that players are built off the profile and no other source of information, and there is plenty of time for people to discuss whether a profile is appropriate or not long before i make the players

Well then fire JHB for making profiles that would make Lee a better player than C-Webb.   

[bankz]

Also thank you Eric for providing that insight. And thanks to the BSR Podcast Network for bitching to the point you felt the need to do so.

[Dirt]

Apr 19, 2021 15:01:51 GMT -5 eric said:

when i balance classes i look class wide and evaluate on attributes. it's not just that i don't care about grades, i literally never even look at them until i upload the file and want to make sure i didn't forget to fix shown potential. on the basis of attributes i do not expect this class to differ significantly from the previous four (more on this in the imminent state of the sim league posts). i do it this way because "franchise changer" or "star" or any other similar term is subjective, imposes arbitrary cutoffs, and everyone will have different definitions, it's just a waste of everyone's time to argue whether any prospect is or isn't in whichever bin

when i read profiles i take into account all the positives and all the negatives. breaking down webber's scoring:
pro "He uses a right-handed jump hook and a quick spin move on the baseline to finish on most opponents,"
con "it's effective at the college level but he'll need to add some counters and fakes to fool better defenders."
con "His footwork could use some improvement as well,"
pro "but he has a knack for finishing once he gets into a position to score and that will help carry his game as he works on the finer points."
pro "He shoots a flat jump shot with fair range. He took a fair amount of three pointers for a big man."
con "Mechanically, he has fair form on his shot but he is still inconsistent on hitting it. Somehow that form falls apart at the free throw line, where he never seems to be able to repeat his mechanics twice in a game."

breaking down david lee's scoring:
pro "He loves to dunk with authority, he moves well and is extremely quick in the post."
pro "His post footwork is excellent and he's great at establishing great position in the low post."
pro "He has great hands and receives the ball well and finishes with an equally soft touch."
pro "topping out at nearly 80% from the free throw line in his junior year"
pro "He's constantly expanded his range throughout his college career and may be a threat all the way out to the three point line at the next"
con "He may be more challenged in the paint by larger bigs and athletic help-side defenders at the next level,"
pro "but he should be able to score on Day 1."

this breakdown does not imply i just add them up and multiply by five, but it's really hard for me to understand how anyone could look at these two profiles and not expect lee to have better starting scoring attributes

was webber a better scorer than lee irl - i don't know and i don't care. the point of our system is that players are built off the profile and no other source of information, and there is plenty of time for people to discuss whether a profile is appropriate or not long before i make the players

#1 bitching to JHB will do nothing and he will dig his heels in.
#2 why does a GM have ALL the power on profiles?

[eric]

Apr 19, 2021 15:42:32 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Apr 19, 2021 15:01:51 GMT -5 eric said:

when i balance classes i look class wide and evaluate on attributes. it's not just that i don't care about grades, i literally never even look at them until i upload the file and want to make sure i didn't forget to fix shown potential. on the basis of attributes i do not expect this class to differ significantly from the previous four (more on this in the imminent state of the sim league posts). i do it this way because "franchise changer" or "star" or any other similar term is subjective, imposes arbitrary cutoffs, and everyone will have different definitions, it's just a waste of everyone's time to argue whether any prospect is or isn't in whichever bin

when i read profiles i take into account all the positives and all the negatives. breaking down webber's scoring:
pro "He uses a right-handed jump hook and a quick spin move on the baseline to finish on most opponents,"
con "it's effective at the college level but he'll need to add some counters and fakes to fool better defenders."
con "His footwork could use some improvement as well,"
pro "but he has a knack for finishing once he gets into a position to score and that will help carry his game as he works on the finer points."
pro "He shoots a flat jump shot with fair range. He took a fair amount of three pointers for a big man."
con "Mechanically, he has fair form on his shot but he is still inconsistent on hitting it. Somehow that form falls apart at the free throw line, where he never seems to be able to repeat his mechanics twice in a game."

breaking down david lee's scoring:
pro "He loves to dunk with authority, he moves well and is extremely quick in the post."
pro "His post footwork is excellent and he's great at establishing great position in the low post."
pro "He has great hands and receives the ball well and finishes with an equally soft touch."
pro "topping out at nearly 80% from the free throw line in his junior year"
pro "He's constantly expanded his range throughout his college career and may be a threat all the way out to the three point line at the next"
con "He may be more challenged in the paint by larger bigs and athletic help-side defenders at the next level,"
pro "but he should be able to score on Day 1."

this breakdown does not imply i just add them up and multiply by five, but it's really hard for me to understand how anyone could look at these two profiles and not expect lee to have better starting scoring attributes

was webber a better scorer than lee irl - i don't know and i don't care. the point of our system is that players are built off the profile and no other source of information, and there is plenty of time for people to discuss whether a profile is appropriate or not long before i make the players

#1 bitching to JHB will do nothing and he will dig his heels in.
#2 why does a GM have ALL the power on profiles?

because like every other gm job, jhb DOESN'T have all the power

[20s]

I mean David Lee was better than Chris Webber when it comes to FG%, TS%, FT%, WS/48... scoring efficiency is not where C-Webb was better than Lee.  Volume wise Webber was higher.

[Ankly]

Apr 19, 2021 16:24:10 GMT -5 eric said:

Apr 19, 2021 15:42:32 GMT -5 Dirt said:

#1 bitching to JHB will do nothing and he will dig his heels in.
#2 why does a GM have ALL the power on profiles?

because like every other gm job, jhb DOESN'T have all the power

He may not have ALL the power, but if we're going off of: "the point of our system is that players are built off the profile and no other source of information."

Then I think the profiles are a heck of a lot of power.

May I ask when you make a prospect, do you just review the profile itself (which JHB may edit based on feedback), or do you read the entire thread which may contains suggested edits with evidence?

[Trofie]

Apr 19, 2021 16:56:23 GMT -5 Ankly said:

Apr 19, 2021 16:24:10 GMT -5 eric said:

because like every other gm job, jhb DOESN'T have all the power

He may not have ALL the power, but if we're going off of: "the point of our system is that players are built off the profile and no other source of information."

Then I think the profiles are a heck of a lot of power.

May I ask when you make a prospect, do you just review the profile itself (which JHB may edit based on feedback), or do you read the entire thread which may contains suggested edits with evidence?

I think this is wise. JHB does a good job and its a hard thing to do. But I think evidence that may be presented may help interpretation 

[TinyTimPig]

Has there been an occasion yet where someone disagreed with a profile and then stated their case in the thread? There's always consternation after grades come out, but before?

In 5.0, I questioned the way Jerry West's profile was written by Delap. We went back and forth a bit until Eric ultimately agreed to one change I suggested and rejected another.

[bankz]

I wasn't aware we could speak up in the profiles and suggest edits.

It will be something I do moving forward.

[Deleted]

Apr 19, 2021 17:53:46 GMT -5 bankz said:

I wasn't aware we could speak up in the profiles and suggest edits.

It will be something I do moving forward.

[eric]

Apr 19, 2021 17:53:46 GMT -5 bankz said:

I wasn't aware we could speak up in the profiles and suggest edits.

It will be something I do moving forward.

gms can speak up and suggest changes to everything in sim league, always

with that said i do think it's useful for any given gm to keep in mind they are 1 voice out of 29, just so people don't take it personal if things don't go their way

[bankz]

Apr 19, 2021 18:57:33 GMT -5 eric said:

Apr 19, 2021 17:53:46 GMT -5 bankz said:

I wasn't aware we could speak up in the profiles and suggest edits.

It will be something I do moving forward.

gms can speak up and suggest changes to everything in sim league, always

with that said i do think it's useful for any given gm to keep in mind they are 1 voice out of 29, just so people don't take it personal if things don't go their way

I don't plan on making suggestions to every profile.  

I understand I'm one voice.  Hopefully we have a DM that is open to suggestions even if its one voice instead of 10 

[jhb]

This is actually good feedback in terms of Eric’s thought process that I’ll use going forward.

Don’t be afraid to leave comments on profiles I’ll definitely consider them