Derrick Rose (301 views)

[jhb]

Derrick Rose
PG
6'2"
190
20
Memphis

Rose has a lot of scouts all kinds of hot and bothered. He's a uniquely talented and insanely athletic prospect with great size for the point guard position and tons of potential. While he profiled as a scorer first coming out of high school, he has made big strides in the necessary playmaking skills to stick at the point and run a team at the next level. The list of superlatives most scouts give for him is long. He has excellent court vision. He's probably a future dunk contest winner. If Russell Westbrook weren't in this class he'd be far and away the fastest person in the class and maybe the league with the ball in his hands. 

Rose plays with a very calm demeanor, but he attacks relentlessly. His aggressiveness can sometimes be a detriment when he looks to pass, but that tool should continue to develop well with the trajectory he's been on since high school. His quickness and handle allows him to create passing lanes and blow by even really good defenders with ease. He’s truly dangerous because he has a soft touch around the rim once he’s by the first line of defense and he showed he could finish well around the rim even against good college defenders. That will make him a big threat at the next level, and he also has the strength to finish through contact and draw fouls. The biggest question mark about him at the next level is if he will become a consistent enough shooter off the dribble to force defenders to respect it and not hang back. If he can do that, he'll become truly special. In college, he hit about 70% of his free throws, but that conversion rate exceeds expectations based on his mechanics. He is not very fluid and that causes him to be a bit streaky at times. He also didn't show the confidence to shoot off the dribble as much as you'd like. He was obviously a bit inconsistent from distance and doesn't have a ton of confidence to pull from deep.

Rose isn't a polished defender yet, but he has all the tools and the attitude to become elite on this end. His athleticism and length and his coachability will allow him to become an All-League defender with the right team. He has quick, strong hands and with his speed could turn into an absolute menace in terms of turning steals into transition opportunities. He also has the athleticism to contribute on the boards as a PG, which will make him stand out from most other PGs.

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[jhb]

That picture is what I like to call a "classic misdirect".

[bankz]

75 inside
55 jumpshot
20 three

Would people hate or love that?

[IanBoyd]

Apr 15, 2021 14:49:58 GMT -5 bankz said:

75 inside
55 jumpshot
20 three

Would people hate or love that?

that would be a kinda bad initial build and would need good TCs to fix

he'd be closer to current Conley, 47% FG ish, 35% from 3

[bankz]

Apr 15, 2021 15:20:03 GMT -5 IanBoyd said:

Apr 15, 2021 14:49:58 GMT -5 bankz said:

75 inside
55 jumpshot
20 three

Would people hate or love that?

that would be a kinda bad initial build and would need good TCs to fix

he'd be closer to current Conley, 47% FG ish, 35% from 3

One would hope he would be given 90+ pot. 

[jhb]

He should be the type of player where from Day 1 he's got the defense and rebounding to be great but his scoring starts off pretty questionable...with the right upgrades and good TCs he could become an all-time great

[bankz]

I don't think he's getting enough love for an inside scorer... Can we add some more love to that in his profile.

"When he gets to the hoop, his upper body strength, mixed with his body control, make for some dazzling finishes at the rim. Be it with a resounding dunk, or nifty lay-up that requires a little extra hang time, Rose’s creativity in the air is not only breathtaking at times, it’s also highly effective. Lately, he has even shown more confidence with his floater and tear drop – a shot necessary for a point guard in today’s game. Presently he only shoots it with his right, but he gets it off so quickly, as he can jump stop and rise on the drop of dime, that it remains difficult to contest."

This was from Draft Express college scouting of Rose.

I think Rose should have lower Jump Shot and 3 but his inside scoring was next level.  His ability to finish at the rim on the college level and in the NBA prior to the injuries was top tier.  

[jhb]

Apr 19, 2021 18:03:54 GMT -5 bankz said:

I don't think he's getting enough love for an inside scorer... Can we add some more love to that in his profile.

"When he gets to the hoop, his upper body strength, mixed with his body control, make for some dazzling finishes at the rim. Be it with a resounding dunk, or nifty lay-up that requires a little extra hang time, Rose’s creativity in the air is not only breathtaking at times, it’s also highly effective. Lately, he has even shown more confidence with his floater and tear drop – a shot necessary for a point guard in today’s game. Presently he only shoots it with his right, but he gets it off so quickly, as he can jump stop and rise on the drop of dime, that it remains difficult to contest."

This was from Draft Express college scouting of Rose.

I think Rose should have lower Jump Shot and 3 but his inside scoring was next level.  His ability to finish at the rim on the college level and in the NBA prior to the injuries was top tier.  

I’ll make an edit on this one tomorrow. Re-reading now I intended for this to come across stronger inside than it may as is and I agree with you.

[eric]

Apr 19, 2021 18:03:54 GMT -5 bankz said:

I don't think he's getting enough love for an inside scorer... Can we add some more love to that in his profile.

"When he gets to the hoop, his upper body strength, mixed with his body control, make for some dazzling finishes at the rim. Be it with a resounding dunk, or nifty lay-up that requires a little extra hang time, Rose’s creativity in the air is not only breathtaking at times, it’s also highly effective. Lately, he has even shown more confidence with his floater and tear drop – a shot necessary for a point guard in today’s game. Presently he only shoots it with his right, but he gets it off so quickly, as he can jump stop and rise on the drop of dime, that it remains difficult to contest."

This was from Draft Express college scouting of Rose.

I think Rose should have lower Jump Shot and 3 but his inside scoring was next level.  His ability to finish at the rim on the college level and in the NBA prior to the injuries was top tier.  

fwiw pre injury rose finished 58% of his looks at the rim in the nba, which isn't a bad number for a pg but is not top tier. by comparison cp3 62% kyrie 61% westbrook 60% curry 65% - it's not necessarily the guys who jump the highest who finish the best

not relevant to this discussion but i also think it's worth pointing out rose has also been 58% since coming back, and he's even getting to the rim about the same amount (33% of his attempts pre injury, 31% since). the biggest change in his offensive game is taking way less long twos, but he's mostly traded them for floater type shots where he's only slightly more efficient (as opposed to the traditional long twos -> threes) so his TS% is pretty much the same too (53% vs. 52%)

he was always an inefficient scorer overall, the reason his overall worth and stats have gone so far down is the league has gotten much more efficient - 54 league TS% his rookie year, 57% this year, and for a player standing still that's the difference between barely below average and clearly below average

[bankz]

May 3, 2021 16:19:07 GMT -5 eric said:

Apr 19, 2021 18:03:54 GMT -5 bankz said:

I don't think he's getting enough love for an inside scorer... Can we add some more love to that in his profile.

"When he gets to the hoop, his upper body strength, mixed with his body control, make for some dazzling finishes at the rim. Be it with a resounding dunk, or nifty lay-up that requires a little extra hang time, Rose’s creativity in the air is not only breathtaking at times, it’s also highly effective. Lately, he has even shown more confidence with his floater and tear drop – a shot necessary for a point guard in today’s game. Presently he only shoots it with his right, but he gets it off so quickly, as he can jump stop and rise on the drop of dime, that it remains difficult to contest."

This was from Draft Express college scouting of Rose.

I think Rose should have lower Jump Shot and 3 but his inside scoring was next level.  His ability to finish at the rim on the college level and in the NBA prior to the injuries was top tier.  

fwiw pre injury rose finished 58% of his looks at the rim in the nba, which isn't a bad number for a pg but is not top tier. by comparison cp3 62% kyrie 61% westbrook 60% curry 65% - it's not necessarily the guys who jump the highest who finish the best

not relevant to this discussion but i also think it's worth pointing out rose has also been 58% since coming back, and he's even getting to the rim about the same amount (33% of his attempts pre injury, 31% since). the biggest change in his offensive game is taking way less long twos, but he's mostly traded them for floater type shots where he's only slightly more efficient (as opposed to the traditional long twos -> threes) so his TS% is pretty much the same too (53% vs. 52%)

he was always an inefficient scorer overall, the reason his overall worth and stats have gone so far down is the league has gotten much more efficient - 54 league TS% his rookie year, 57% this year, and for a player standing still that's the difference between barely below average and clearly below average

[eric]

May 3, 2021 16:22:07 GMT -5 bankz said:

May 3, 2021 16:19:07 GMT -5 eric said:

fwiw pre injury rose finished 58% of his looks at the rim in the nba, which isn't a bad number for a pg but is not top tier. by comparison cp3 62% kyrie 61% westbrook 60% curry 65% - it's not necessarily the guys who jump the highest who finish the best

not relevant to this discussion but i also think it's worth pointing out rose has also been 58% since coming back, and he's even getting to the rim about the same amount (33% of his attempts pre injury, 31% since). the biggest change in his offensive game is taking way less long twos, but he's mostly traded them for floater type shots where he's only slightly more efficient (as opposed to the traditional long twos -> threes) so his TS% is pretty much the same too (53% vs. 52%)

he was always an inefficient scorer overall, the reason his overall worth and stats have gone so far down is the league has gotten much more efficient - 54 league TS% his rookie year, 57% this year, and for a player standing still that's the difference between barely below average and clearly below average

[20s]

May 3, 2021 16:35:10 GMT -5 eric said:

May 3, 2021 16:22:07 GMT -5 bankz said: