Sophomore Staircase - 3004 (530 views)

[TinyTimPig]

Update Schedule: Sims 2, 7, 12

3004 - Sim 2 Update

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Rookie Ladder Final Rankings:
1. Marc Gasol
2. Al Horford
3. Jared Dudley
4. Greg Oden
5. Kevin Durant
6. Daequan Cook
7a. Spencer Hawes
7b. Joakim Noah
9a. Arron Afflalo
9b. Morris Almond

HM.
Points:
Taurean Green - Charlotte Bobcats
Ramon Sessions - Indiana Pacers
Aaron Brooks - Texas Chaparrals
Mike Conley - Washington Bullets

Wings:
Adam Haluska - Carolina Cougars
Sun Yue - Philadelphia 76ers
Wilson Chandler - Los Angeles Lakers
Corey Brewer - Texas Chaparral

Bigs:
Chris Richard - Los Angeles Clippers
Nick Fazekas - Milwaukee Bucks
Mirza Teletovic - Dallas Mavericks
Jason Smith - Carolina Cougars
Tiago Splitter - Phoenix Suns
Stanko Barac - Miami Heat
Joel Anthony - Charlotte Bobcats

This class is looking pretty rough early outside of the top 3. I expect a few of the guys who didn't make it to eventually creep their way back in, but we're seeing a number of players who made the Rookie Ladder get off to a slow start. 

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10. Joel Anthony - Charlotte Bobcats

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
7.6 12.4 1.5 1.2 2.9 2.4 .372 .750 .000 0.849 10.7

Summary: Really, really bad at scoring but really, really good at defending and grabbing boards. I'm not sure an upgrades reset would be worth it, but I think if you could sacrifice a rebound per-36 in favor of getting those TOs below two, you do it. Looks a lot like Jawann Oldham (and perhaps an insight into how Eric will continue to build non-profile guys with a shot blocking strength).

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9. Chris Richard - Los Angeles Clippers

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
18.0 9.8 1.8 0.9 0.4 1.9 .525 .843 .000 1.155 16.4

Summary: Richard has maintained the efficiency we saw as a rookie and cut back on turnovers, though that may be a fluke as he didn't receive any handling upgrades during the offseason. If they stay down, he ought to move up the rankings. No defense to speak of and average rebounding puts a ceiling on him, however.

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8. Nick Young - Cleveland Cavaliers

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: UR

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
12.8 5.5 1.3 1.0 0.4 1.0 .532 .826 .286 1.145 11.7

Summary: Does an excellent job of holding on to the ball and has shown good efficiency this season, though I expect it to fall off judging by what he did last year. If that happens, Young will have a tough time being a starter in the league as his defense isn't good and his rebounding isn't anything special.

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7. Tiago Splitter - Phoenix Suns

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
19.6 11.6 2.4 0.9 1.4 1.8 .512 .556 .000 1.067 18.4

Summary: With +20 still to go, I'm very high on Splitter. Good defender and rebounder and scoring could very easily be improved with that +20. I do worry that the turnovers could creep up a bit if AndrewLuck tries to turn him into a featured part of the offense.

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6. Morris Almond - Milwaukee Bucks

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 9b

Season Per-36: 

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
14.7 3.8 2.3 0.7 0.3 1.2 .508 .773 .407 1.198 12.5

Summary: Looks like a better version of Nick Young and I have more faith in him maintaining his scoring after what he did during his rookie season and what he showed he was capable of in preseason as a featured option. Nice find for the Bucks and should be a starting SG in the league for a long time.

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5. Spencer Hawes - Seattle SuperSonics

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 7a

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
16.9 10.8 1.3 1.6 0.2 1.5 .508 .854 .000 1.135 16.8

Summary: Solid efficiency and average rebounding and turnovers. Steal numbers look nice, but he did the same thing to start off his rookie season before seeing that number drop as the season progressed. Likely never going to be much of a defender, but efficient big men will always have a place in the league, especially ones that can also score a little bit in an outside offense.

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4. Greg Oden - Golden State Warriors

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 4

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
14.6 12.4 1.6 1.5 1.7 1.0 .461 .803 .000 1.056 17.1

Summary: Second best rebounder in the class after Noah, but also a very good defender who doesn't suffer from the turnover problems that guys like Anthony and Oldham do. Scoring is surprisingly not as terrible as you'd think for a guy who was built with just 40 inside.

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3. Jared Dudley - Brooklyn Nets

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 3

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
23.6 9.4 2.3 1.3 0.1 1.3 .515 .705 .278 1.146 20.8

Summary: Good efficiency, excellent rebounding, and no turnover problems. Looks almost exactly the same - maybe a tad more efficient - than his partner on the wing in Brooklyn, Michael Brooks. Like many Nets players, probably never the #1 guy, but an excellent #2.

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2. Marc Gasol - Los Angeles Lakers

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 1

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
27.9 9.2 7.6 1.2 0.7 2.1 .532 .813 .571 1.181 27.4

Summary: Looks just a tad worse than Horford now that Big Al is healthy and playing. Gasol is still great - fifth in scoring efficiency with good volume, turnovers aren't an issue, and offers decent defense. The crazy-high assists for a big man likely guarantee him an all-league spot for the next decade.

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1. Al Horford - Milwaukee Bucks

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 2

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
30.0 9.2 3.8 1.2 1.2 2.4 .554 .833 .200 1.243 27.1

Summary: Tops in the class in efficiency and sets himself apart from Gasol with the extra half block per 36. The two look very similar otherwise and I look forward to watching their careers unfold as they'll always be compared against each other.

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Honorable Mentions:

Point Guards:

Mike Conley
Ramon Sessions

Wings:

Arron Afflalo
Marco Belinelli
Sammy Mejia
Wilson Chandler

Bigs:

Jason Smith
Joakim Noah
Nick Fazekas

Yi Jianlian

[Sapular]

60k....nice analysis

[20s]

Adam Haluska 2 SG 19 23.1 21.7 5.7 3.0 0.9 0.2 1.4 .534 .892 .238 1.182 18.2

[TinyTimPig]

Apr 11, 2021 16:07:35 GMT -5 20s said:

Adam Haluska 2 SG 19 23.1 21.7 5.7 3.0 0.9 0.2 1.4 .534 .892 .238 1.182 18.2

Yeah, his pts/tsa increased by .11 that sim lol

[Soup]

Mirza coming

[TinyTimPig]

Update Schedule: Sims 2, 7, 12

3004 - Sim 7 Update

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Rookie Ladder Final Rankings:
1. Marc Gasol
2. Al Horford
3. Jared Dudley
4. Greg Oden
5. Kevin Durant
6. Daequan Cook
7a. Spencer Hawes
7b. Joakim Noah
9a. Arron Afflalo
9b. Morris Almond

HM.
Points:
Taurean Green - Charlotte Bobcats
Ramon Sessions - Indiana Pacers
Aaron Brooks - Texas Chaparrals
Mike Conley - Washington Bullets

Wings:
Adam Haluska - Carolina Cougars
Sun Yue - Philadelphia 76ers
Wilson Chandler - Los Angeles Lakers
Corey Brewer - Texas Chaparral

Bigs:
Chris Richard - Los Angeles Clippers
Nick Fazekas - Milwaukee Bucks
Mirza Teletovic - Dallas Mavericks
Jason Smith - Carolina Cougars
Tiago Splitter - Phoenix Suns
Stanko Barac - Miami Heat
Joel Anthony - Charlotte Bobcats

 

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10. Kevin Durant - Minnesota Timberwolves (prev: NR)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 5

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
20.4 8.2 2.1 1.5 0.1 2.4 .466 .877 .352 1.099 16.1

Summary: Efficiency has crept up to about average and provides stellar rebounding from the small forward position, though he's certainly not on the level of someone like Brooks or Dudley, particularly due to his lack of positional versatility. He continues to rack up steals and projects as a solid third option for a good team.

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9. Spencer Hawes - Seattle SuperSonics (prev: 5)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 7a

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
23.3 10.0 1.8 1.2 0.2 1.6 .508 .843 .000 1.142 20.1

Summary: Given frustratingly low minutes by the coach, but makes the most of them when he's out there, particularly on offense. Probably even more efficient than what his numbers currently show as he started the season in a bit of a slump. May be best suited as a third big on a good team because he'd get just as many minutes from the coach as he would if he were starting.

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8. Joel Anthony - Charlotte Bobcats (prev: 10)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
7.5 11.5 2 1.3 3.1 2.4 .416 .680 .000 0.938 11.4

Summary: Far and away the best defender in the class with 1.2 more blocks per-36 than second place Greg Oden and also rebounds at a high level. Reminiscent of Jawann Oldham due to the turnovers, but should have a longer life as a defensive big because he's a much better defender than Oldham was.

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7. Adam Haluska - Carolina Cougars (prev: NR)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
20.8 6.1 3.4 1 0.2 1.5 .486 .902 .357 1.146 17.5

Summary: Nice find by 20s as he grabbed Haluska, who ranks 7th in the class in pts/tsa, doesn't turn it over, and is a good enough rebounder at shooting guard. Doesn't offer much by way of defense, but everything else is average or above average.

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6. Greg Oden - Golden State Warriors (prev: 4)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 4

Season Per-36: 

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
16.2 12.0 2 1.3 1.9 1.2 .438 .835 .000 1.059 17.6

Summary: Very good defender and rebounder who turns it over half as often as Joel Anthony while adding about .06 more pts/tsa. Probably still shoots more than you'd like, but at 1.059 pts/tsa, it's not as damaging as it might be for a more typical d/r big.

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5. Nick Fazekas - Milwaukee Bucks (prev: NR)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
24.4 8.7 1.5 0.8 0.2 1.6 .568 .774 .182 1.210 20.3

Summary: Second in the class in efficiency behind frontcourt mate Al Horford, Fazekas doesn't offer much other than offense, but he's very, very good at scoring. Rebounding and defense are both subpar, but the efficiency and usage combined with lack of turnovers should give him a place in the league for a long time.

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4. Joakim Noah - Brooklyn Nets (prev: NR)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 7b

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
22.6 12.8 5 1.1 0.7 2.4 .525 .675 .000 1.143 22.6

Summary: Big jump for Noah, who is the best rebounder in the class and a surprisingly efficient scorer. His defense is coming around to about average, so the only real hiccup for him are the 2.4 turnovers per-36. Another nice find for BK despite this type of big being easily found in the 2nd round.

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3. Jared Dudley - Brooklyn Nets (prev: 3)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 3

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
21.8 8.6 2.8 1.2 0.0 1.6 .515 .734 .304 1.150 19

Summary: Dudley has stayed consistent and offers good scoring and rebounding with positional versatility. The lack of defense both he and Brooks offer on the wing will be something for Brooklyn to keep an eye on as the two seem like mirror images of each other.

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2. Marc Gasol - Los Angeles Lakers (prev: 2)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 1

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
27.8 9.0 7.3 1.2 1.1 2.0 .526 .820 .269 1.186 27.3

Summary: It'll be fascinating to compare Gasol and Horford over the next 10 seasons as the two are eerily similar. Rebounds, steals, blocks, and turnovers are all within a half-point of each other. The only real weakness in Gasol's game is rebounding, but it's also not a strength for Horford, so if Gasol can capitalize on his immense potential he has a chance to be the better player.

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1. Al Horford - Milwaukee Bucks (prev: 1)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 2

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
29.9 9.5 3.5 1 1.1 2.0 .535 .847 .214 1.222 26.6

Summary: Horford edges Gasol for number one due a .04 advantage in pts/tsa and an extra half rebound per-36. Just about everything else is the same except for assists if you're into that sort of thing for all-league status.

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Honorable Mentions:

Point Guards:

Mike Conley
Ramon Sessions

Wings:

Arron Afflalo
Daequan Cook
Jeff Green
Marco Belinelli
Sun Yue

Bigs:

Chris Richard
Jason Smith
Mirza Teletovic
Stephane Lasme
Tiago Splitter

Yi Jianlian

[20s]

Seems like the class is pretty volatile outside of the top 3, probably closely bunched together

[Handsome Pete]

Apr 15, 2021 15:23:32 GMT -5 TinyTimPig said:

Just about everything else is the same except for assists if you're into that sort of thing for all-league status.

Assist numbers?
Assist:TO ratio?

[Trofie]

Suck it pete

[duc15]

Stanko makes the All-Star team but can't even get on the Honorable mention list

[TinyTimPig]

Apr 15, 2021 16:26:43 GMT -5 duc15 said:

Stanko makes the All-Star team but can't even get on the Honorable mention list

Yeah, 1.00 pts/tsa and less than 10 rebounds per 36 just isn't going to cut it.

[TinyTimPig]

Update Schedule: Sims 2, 7, 12

3004 - Sim 12 Update

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Rookie Ladder Final Rankings:
1. Marc Gasol
2. Al Horford
3. Jared Dudley
4. Greg Oden
5. Kevin Durant
6. Daequan Cook
7a. Spencer Hawes
7b. Joakim Noah
9a. Arron Afflalo
9b. Morris Almond

HM.
Points:
Taurean Green - Charlotte Bobcats
Ramon Sessions - Indiana Pacers
Aaron Brooks - Texas Chaparrals
Mike Conley - Washington Bullets

Wings:
Adam Haluska - Carolina Cougars
Sun Yue - Philadelphia 76ers
Wilson Chandler - Los Angeles Lakers
Corey Brewer - Texas Chaparral

Bigs:
Chris Richard - Los Angeles Clippers
Nick Fazekas - Milwaukee Bucks
Mirza Teletovic - Dallas Mavericks
Jason Smith - Carolina Cougars
Tiago Splitter - Phoenix Suns
Stanko Barac - Miami Heat
Joel Anthony - Charlotte Bobcats

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10. Adam Haluska - Carolina Cougars (prev: 7)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
21.5 6.0 3.5 1.2 0.1 1.7 .484 .879 .363 1.133 17.7

Summary: We don't have a lot of very good shooting guards in the league, but Haluska I guess comes close? He's not really a liability anywhere and is an above average scorer. We seem to have a few guys who can fit into the same category as Haluska (Daequan Cook, Bruce Collins) that will never be considered elite but would do well in an outside offense.

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9. Joel Anthony - Charlotte Bobcats (prev: 8)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
7.2 11.4 2.1 1.2 3.1 2.2 .434 .659 .000 0.951 11.4

Summary: Third in the league in blocks per 36, trailing second place Manute Bol by a lot and first place Kenny George by more than a lot. We see a good number of players like this in this class - elite in one category but struggling in others. His rebounding is also good but his utter lack of ability to contribute offensively will certainly scare away a number of teams throughout his career.

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8. Spencer Hawes - Seattle SuperSonics (prev: 9)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 7a

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
25.4 10.3 1.7 1.3 0.2 1.6 .526 .840 .200 1.159 21.6

Summary: Still very efficient and looks to be a better rebounder than the top three guys (surprisingly) without turnover issues, but defense and a douchebag coach will probably end up capping his value for his entire career. If he was allowed to play more minutes, he'd be just a notch below Horford and Gasol due to the lack of defense.

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7. Joakim Noah - Brooklyn Nets (prev: 4)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 7b

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
21.8 13.4 4.7 1.1 0.8 2.4 .514 .661 .000 1.110 21.6

Summary: Noah really shines on the glass, where he ranks 3rd in the league in rebounds per 36 behind only Devin Williams and Lloyd Sharrar. Unlike those two, however, he doesn't combine it with elite efficiency. He's only average in that category but still has enough volume that he may be considered a liability overall as he takes shots from more efficient players like Dudley and Brooks.

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6. Kevin Durant - Minnesota Timberwolves (prev: 10)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 5

Season Per-36: 

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
20.0 7.9 2 1.4 0.1 2.3 .488 .868 .355 1.132 16.1

Summary: Durant makes a nice little jump and should end up being a solid contributor for the T-Wolves for a long time. Lack of positional versatility hurts as he's locked in at SF, but he's a decent defender and rebounder and above average scorer who would see a big leap in the rankings if he could up his 3pt% just a tad.

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5. Greg Oden - Golden State Warriors (prev: 6)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 4

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
17.2 12.5 2.2 1.5 2.0 1.2 .460 .851 .000 1.101 19.3

Summary: Raise your hand if you had Oden finishing his second season as an average scorer on your Bingo card. After seeing his build, it seems pretty shocking, and he may end up being the most valuable player from this class due to his strengths - rebounding, defense, turnovers - that are not accompanied by any true weaknesses, assuming his scoring holds up.

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4. Jared Dudley - Brooklyn Nets (prev: 3)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 3

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
23.0 9.0 3 1 0.1 1.9 .513 .754 .286 1.146 19.5

Summary: Really stands out as a rebounder with the ability to play small forward or shooting guard, but other than that, he looks like a pretty run of the mill inside scoring small forward. Outside game is pretty meh, turnovers are average, no defense. Dudley is a good player, but I think we're starting to see a lot of players like him in the league, albeit with maybe 1.5 fewer rebounds per 36. 

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3. Nick Fazekas - Milwaukee Bucks (prev: 5)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
26.3 9.0 1.5 0.7 0.2 1.8 .585 .799 .357 1.252 21.9

Summary: Second in the entire league in pts/tsa, Fazekas has slowly risen in the rankings and supplants Dudley, who has been #3 since his Rookie Ladder days. He doesn't do anything else particularly well, though his turnovers are fine. Rebounding is below average (like the two in front of him) and defense is rough, but that efficiency is a beautiful thing.

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2. Marc Gasol - Los Angeles Lakers (prev: 2)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 1

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
27.3 8.9 7.0 1.1 1.2 1.8 .525 .812 .273 1.176 26.6

Summary: Fazekas jumps Dudley in the final rankings and surprisingly made a push for the #2 spot, but his efficiency isn't quite enough to overcome the gap in defense where Fazekas is a liability and Gasol is at least average. The only hole in Gasol's game is rebounding, which seems to be the case for many bigs in this class.

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1. Al Horford - Milwaukee Bucks (prev: 1)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 2

Season Per-36:

P R A S B T FG% FT% 3P% P/TSA PER
30.1 9.6 3.8 0.9 0.9 2.1 .555 .812 .263 1.245 26.6

Summary: Firmly ahead of Gasol strictly due to efficiency, where he shines on a league-wide level, finishing 3rd overall in pts/tsa behind only Dale Ellis and #3 on the list, Nick Fazekas. Offers slightly more rebounding and turnovers and slightly less defense than the big man at #2, but all of that seems within the range of noise, so I consider them essentially the same in those categories.

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Honorable Mentions:

Point Guards:

Mike Conley
Ramon Sessions

Wings:

Arron Afflalo
Daequan Cook
Jeff Green
Marco Belinelli
Wilson Chandler

Bigs:

Jason Smith
Mirza Teletovic
Sean Williams
Thaddeus Young
Tiago Splitter

Yi Jianlian

[Trofie]

90k

[IanBoyd]

85k

[20s]

Very confused how Durant is 4 spots higher than Haluska.

[20s]

80k

[Handsome Pete]

Can't help that Marc Gasol is so unselfish. But I'd rather him be 2nd than a GLORY BOY stat chaser like Horford or Fazekas

[Handsome Pete]

75k

[20s]

BK has the #3 Sophomore Staircase guy (#2 leaguewide in pts/tsa) on his IR.

[delap]

69k

Pretty sure this is the most consistent class between end of Rookie Ladder and end of Staircase we’ve seen.

[skrouse]

70K

[Deleted]

80k