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Post by Odin on Mar 30, 2021 10:07:50 GMT -5
we have a 71% chance of killing town if we kill here. not only that, but that will keep us at an even number of people during the day which is very bad because it will extend the number of days required for a town win. you always want to keep things at an odd number during the day.
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Post by Soup on Mar 30, 2021 10:09:22 GMT -5
we have a 71% chance of killing town if we kill here. not only that, but that will keep us at an even number of people during the day which is very bad because it will extend the number of days required for a town win. you always want to keep things at an odd number during the day. this is def an among us philosophy that is used quite a bit and is not a bad strategy at all. |
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Post by 20s on Mar 30, 2021 10:09:33 GMT -5
There’s a much higher chance we lose it at night considering the mafia 100% isn’t dying then. How do you expect to kill mafia if we don’t vote anyone out? Everyone just sits with their thumbs up their ass until the sheriff dies or comes forward? What do you expect to happen tomorrow if the sheriff doesn’t find mafia tonight? They aren’t going to reveal themselves to say one person came back town (which we can’t even rely on). So tomorrow are we just gonna sit around again because we don’t want to accidentally vote off an investigative role? How long do we no execute in your opinion before it’s worth it to try to vote someone out? you've never played like this. why the change? I’ve never supported no execution on day one. |
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Post by Trofie on Mar 30, 2021 10:09:45 GMT -5
I'm indifferent on killing day 1. I lean yes , but given the option of no kill or Chap  |
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Post by Soup on Mar 30, 2021 10:10:29 GMT -5
you've never played like this. why the change? I’ve never supported no execution on day one. it was more so the rest of your response. |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:10:38 GMT -5
The entire point of the game is to try to make reads with limited information.
The game is not called "follow the leader".
You guys need to stop licking boots, and start trying to make reads to vote people out. If the Town power roles help along the way, that's great.
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Post by gbgalla24 on Mar 30, 2021 10:11:07 GMT -5
There’s a 50/50 shot we only have one investigative role. I don’t think we can risk losing it by voting on a whim. There’s a much higher chance we lose it at night considering the mafia 100% isn’t dying then. How do you expect to kill mafia if we don’t vote anyone out? Everyone just sits with their thumbs up their ass until the sheriff dies or comes forward? What do you expect to happen tomorrow if the sheriff doesn’t find mafia tonight? They aren’t going to reveal themselves to say one person came back town (which we can’t even rely on). So tomorrow are we just gonna sit around again because we don’t want to accidentally vote off an investigative role? How long do we no execute in your opinion before it’s worth it to try to vote someone out? Personally, I think that on day one no execution is better because the mafia has 4 members that know who isn’t mafia and they could more easily coordinate push the votes to a townie when there is little to no info to go on. At the same time, forcing 50/50s is a solid strategy too; so it’s whatever. |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:12:45 GMT -5
There’s a much higher chance we lose it at night considering the mafia 100% isn’t dying then. How do you expect to kill mafia if we don’t vote anyone out? Everyone just sits with their thumbs up their ass until the sheriff dies or comes forward? What do you expect to happen tomorrow if the sheriff doesn’t find mafia tonight? They aren’t going to reveal themselves to say one person came back town (which we can’t even rely on). So tomorrow are we just gonna sit around again because we don’t want to accidentally vote off an investigative role? How long do we no execute in your opinion before it’s worth it to try to vote someone out? Personally, I think that on day one no execution is better because the mafia has 4 members that know who isn’t mafia and they could more easily coordinate push the votes to a townie when there is little to no info to go on. At the same time, forcing 50/50s is a solid strategy too; so it’s whatever. If we can force the mafia to actively coordinate their votes, that is a massive win for the town. |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:13:48 GMT -5
The point of killing on day 1 is not to necessarily kill a mafia on day 1. It's to begin the process of finding out who the mafia are.
No-Kill just kind of strings this along. Then tomorrow we'll be in the exact same place with a townperson likely dead overnight.
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Post by TinyTimPig on Mar 30, 2021 10:18:34 GMT -5
There’s a much higher chance we lose it at night considering the mafia 100% isn’t dying then. How do you expect to kill mafia if we don’t vote anyone out? Everyone just sits with their thumbs up their ass until the sheriff dies or comes forward? What do you expect to happen tomorrow if the sheriff doesn’t find mafia tonight? They aren’t going to reveal themselves to say one person came back town (which we can’t even rely on). So tomorrow are we just gonna sit around again because we don’t want to accidentally vote off an investigative role? How long do we no execute in your opinion before it’s worth it to try to vote someone out? Personally, I think that on day one no execution is better because the mafia has 4 members that know who isn’t mafia and they could more easily coordinate push the votes to a townie when there is little to no info to go on. At the same time, forcing 50/50s is a solid strategy too; so it’s whatever. What more info will there be day 2? |
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Post by Soup on Mar 30, 2021 10:21:21 GMT -5
Personally, I think that on day one no execution is better because the mafia has 4 members that know who isn’t mafia and they could more easily coordinate push the votes to a townie when there is little to no info to go on. At the same time, forcing 50/50s is a solid strategy too; so it’s whatever. What more info will there be day 2? night of investigation(s) |
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Post by Soup on Mar 30, 2021 10:22:08 GMT -5
and lets not forget. mafia can die at night if there's a bodyguard role.
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Post by TinyTimPig on Mar 30, 2021 10:23:23 GMT -5
What more info will there be day 2? night of investigation(s) There’s like a 2% chance that info is revealed day 2 (and it shouldn’t be). So what is the behavior on day 2? Also no execution so there’s another night of investigation(s)? |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:23:32 GMT -5
Cool. That can all still applies whether we kill someone or not.
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Post by gbgalla24 on Mar 30, 2021 10:24:26 GMT -5
Personally, I think that on day one no execution is better because the mafia has 4 members that know who isn’t mafia and they could more easily coordinate push the votes to a townie when there is little to no info to go on. At the same time, forcing 50/50s is a solid strategy too; so it’s whatever. What more info will there be day 2? Who dies, day 1 voting, maybe there’s bg kill, maybe the sheriff or sheriffs peg a mafia or two. Lots of potential info. |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:26:31 GMT -5
Chap, if you change your vote to one of the "No-kill" voters, I'll come off you.
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Post by Soup on Mar 30, 2021 10:26:35 GMT -5
Cool. That can all still applies whether we kill someone or not. Cool. and it can not apply if we vote out our only sheriff here. |
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Post by Soup on Mar 30, 2021 10:27:54 GMT -5
night of investigation(s) There’s like a 2% chance that info is revealed day 2 (and it shouldn’t be). So what is the behavior on day 2? Also no execution so there’s another night of investigation(s)? it's an option. the point is you give yourself more options instead of less. |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:28:10 GMT -5
Cool. That can all still applies whether we kill someone or not. Cool. and it can not apply if we vote out our only sheriff here. Voting out our only sheriff actually gets rid of all mafia powers. You can win without any town power roles. And if the sheriff ends up on the chopping block day 1, they should very likely reveal themselves and be protected. |
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Post by Odin on Mar 30, 2021 10:30:52 GMT -5
night of investigation(s) There’s like a 2% chance that info is revealed day 2 (and it shouldn’t be). So what is the behavior on day 2? Also no execution so there’s another night of investigation(s)? nah day 2 is a kill regardless because we'd be at an odd number |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:33:16 GMT -5
There’s like a 2% chance that info is revealed day 2 (and it shouldn’t be). So what is the behavior on day 2? Also no execution so there’s another night of investigation(s)? nah day 2 is a kill regardless because we'd be at an odd number Now this is a good reason for a "no-kill". But we should wait until later on in the game to act on it because the success of the town protective roles can be a factor (e.g. we can have nights with 0 or 2 deaths). But yeah we generally want to have an odd number of players in the end game. |
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Post by Odin on Mar 30, 2021 10:34:24 GMT -5
nah day 2 is a kill regardless because we'd be at an odd number Now this is a good reason for a "no-kill". But we should wait until later on in the game to act on it because the success of the town protective roles can be a factor (e.g. we can have nights with 0 or 2 deaths). But yeah we generally want to have an odd number of players in the end game. why wait until later when this right now is when we have the least information for a kill? |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:34:41 GMT -5
Chap, if you change your vote to one of the "No-kill" voters, I'll come off you. |
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Post by Chaps on Mar 30, 2021 10:34:46 GMT -5
This kind of blows that I'm at work, because I can't even save myself during overtime if you idiots vote me off.
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:36:57 GMT -5
Now this is a good reason for a "no-kill". But we should wait until later on in the game to act on it because the success of the town protective roles can be a factor (e.g. we can have nights with 0 or 2 deaths). But yeah we generally want to have an odd number of players in the end game. why wait until later when this right now is when we have the least information for a kill? Because we don't know yet if we'll even need to do it to end up with odd numbers. Imagine we do it now to get to an odd number. But then there a night with 0 or 2 deaths that flips us back to even. Should we then go "no-kill" again? At some point, you're just giving the mafia free night kills. |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:37:35 GMT -5
This kind of blows that I'm at work, because I can't even save myself during overtime if you idiots vote me off. Vote for one of the No-kill voters and I'll change my vote, and you'll be safe. |
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Post by Odin on Mar 30, 2021 10:41:54 GMT -5
why wait until later when this right now is when we have the least information for a kill? Because we don't know yet if we'll even need to do it to end up with odd numbers. Imagine we do it now to get to an odd number. But then there a night with 0 or 2 deaths that flips us back to even. Should we then go "no-kill" again? At some point, you're just giving the mafia free night kills. a night with 0 deaths would allow us more flexibility. we could no kill if there's not enough information or kill if there is. i don't see how a 2 death night is even possible. |
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Post by Ankly on Mar 30, 2021 10:42:53 GMT -5
Because we don't know yet if we'll even need to do it to end up with odd numbers. Imagine we do it now to get to an odd number. But then there a night with 0 or 2 deaths that flips us back to even. Should we then go "no-kill" again? At some point, you're just giving the mafia free night kills. a night with 0 deaths would allow us more flexibility. we could no kill if there's not enough information or kill if there is. i don't see how a 2 death night is even possible. Bodyguard dies and mafia member dies. 2 night death. |
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Post by Odin on Mar 30, 2021 10:43:53 GMT -5
a night with 0 deaths would allow us more flexibility. we could no kill if there's not enough information or kill if there is. i don't see how a 2 death night is even possible. Bodyguard dies and mafia member dies. 2 night death. ok sure, but that's a win regardless of odd or even which would then give us more flexibility and more time to get a good read on mafia |
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Post by Sapular on Mar 30, 2021 10:45:24 GMT -5
sorry I am busy with work and will be for the next hour. Some great points but we, as the town, will be able to gather information overnight and give us a clearer picture heading into tomorrow. No Kill is the way to go
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