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Post by Majic on Feb 22, 2021 9:58:23 GMT -5
Yes, for the current draft taking place, but when trading futures that information isn't available. Yeah but we know how these classes unfolded irl. So again we know some classes are just going to be stronger vs others. I fully expect to see the LBJ class to be very deep with great players. I don’t expect the same out of the 2013 class. I have long had an issue with this and don't want to go around in circles again on it. But.... This statement is all true and good, and with normal draft its not a concern at all. However, with wheel this creates unfairness that the GM has no control over. And I get it, as you said "GMs always have the ability to trade out of and into classes they believe could be strong or weak." which again, is another true statement but doesn't take into account that cost/value aspect. Using your example from above in comparing the 2003 class to the 2013 class. If a GM has pick 1.5 in the 2003 draft its going to hold significantly more value than pick 1.5 in the 2013 draft. That GM knows it and so does the rest of the league. The value using the 2013 pick in a trade is limited in some capacity when comparing the ability to use the 2003 1.5 pick. Conversely, the cost it will take to acquire the 2003 1.5 will be more when comparing to 2013 1.5 pick. Honestly, my issue has never been with the legendary guys being better. Of course guys like Lebron should be made better overall when compared to other classes elite players. The issue is in those players where the classes are deemed lower quality and thus event he best of players from that class don't compare to others. And again, if you never have a high pick in a "down" draft class then you never care or bother to pay much attention. But if you do end up with one it does suck quite a bit and then its a long wait for another top pick. |
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Post by Trofie on Feb 22, 2021 10:25:56 GMT -5
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Post by Druce on Feb 22, 2021 10:45:42 GMT -5
I share the frustration re: the trade market
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Post by Druce on Feb 22, 2021 10:45:52 GMT -5
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Post by Soup on Feb 22, 2021 11:10:43 GMT -5
Can you imagine if last rookie class was a "down year" class and this year's had the success of last years? Do you think Bankz tune on the issue would change?
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Post by bankz on Feb 22, 2021 11:16:31 GMT -5
Can you imagine if last rookie class was a "down year" class and this year's had the success of last years? Do you think Bankz tune on the issue would change? No, I’ve stated this opinion multiple times in 6.0 even before the draft took place last year. My belief it should happen was in part why I traded out of the current draft. |
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Post by Soup on Feb 22, 2021 11:18:10 GMT -5
Can you imagine if last rookie class was a "down year" class and this year's had the success of last years? Do you think Bankz tune on the issue would change? No, I’ve stated this opinion multiple times in 6.0 even before the draft took place last year. My belief it should happen was in part why I traded out of the current draft. you traded out of current draft because the deal on the table was waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too good to pass up. |
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Post by bankz on Feb 22, 2021 11:23:07 GMT -5
No, I’ve stated this opinion multiple times in 6.0 even before the draft took place last year. My belief it should happen was in part why I traded out of the current draft. you traded out of current draft because the deal on the table was waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too good to pass up. Well apparently you know why I make my moves and the dozens of explanations I’ve given are just lies. Giving up 1.3 in this class plus another 1st is I guess another rape job??? Like what are you even attempting to argue right now. |
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Post by Soup on Feb 22, 2021 11:24:05 GMT -5
you traded out of current draft because the deal on the table was waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too good to pass up. Well apparently you know why I make my moves and the dozens of explanations I’ve given are just lies. Giving up 1.3 in this class plus another 1st is I guess another rape job??? Like what are you even attempting to argue right now. for someone who tried so hard to move out of this draft class, i've sure got texts from this morning about how much you're trying to trade for a pick here. |
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Post by bankz on Feb 22, 2021 12:01:09 GMT -5
Well apparently you know why I make my moves and the dozens of explanations I’ve given are just lies. Giving up 1.3 in this class plus another 1st is I guess another rape job??? Like what are you even attempting to argue right now. for someone who tried so hard to move out of this draft class, i've sure got texts from this morning about how much you're trying to trade for a pick here. Your something else... |
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Post by Sapular on Feb 22, 2021 12:25:17 GMT -5
All classes shouldn’t be created equal. Just like irl studs won’t always be studs in 6.0 and guys who didn’t amount to shit are superstars in our league. GMs always have the ability to trade out of and into classes they believe could be strong or weak. I disagree with this thought process. As stated most if not all GM's already know the strong and weak classes and will be less inclined to trade that pick. I have tried to flip 1.1 for this year but because it was a weaker class I was not able to do so. I was being told no because in future years 1.6 and 1.7 WILL be stronger than a 1.1. The fact that that information is known is what makes this the problem and if you cant trade the best asset in the draft for more assets but lesser in quality that tells you the system is broken. It is not as simple as "trade out" unless you are willing to over pay for a good draft class or get F'ed because it is a weaker class. |
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Post by bankz on Feb 22, 2021 12:27:05 GMT -5
Who said 1.6 or 1.7 is going to be better than 1.1?
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Post by Sapular on Feb 22, 2021 12:28:31 GMT -5
Not this year but I was turned down for future picks because it is a stronger class
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Post by Trofie on Feb 22, 2021 12:29:24 GMT -5
All classes shouldn’t be created equal. Just like irl studs won’t always be studs in 6.0 and guys who didn’t amount to shit are superstars in our league. GMs always have the ability to trade out of and into classes they believe could be strong or weak. I disagree with this thought process. As stated most if not all GM's already know the strong and weak classes and will be less inclined to trade that pick. I have tried to flip 1.1 for this year but because it was a weaker class I was not able to do so. I was being told no because in future years 1.6 and 1.7 WILL be stronger than a 1.1. The fact that that information is known is what makes this the problem and if you cant trade the best asset in the draft for more assets but lesser in quality that tells you the system is broken. It is not as simple as "trade out" unless you are willing to over pay for a good draft class or get F'ed because it is a weaker class. i mean I offered 1.3 and 1.9 for 1.1 this year , you wanted 1.2 , 1.4 1.9 to move it. There is a reason you didn't find a taker |
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Post by Majic on Feb 22, 2021 12:29:48 GMT -5
Who said 1.6 or 1.7 is going to be better than 1.1? I dont know about 1.7 but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if 4-5 (maybe more) rookies from the 3001 class look better than anyone from the 3002 class. at least right away. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Feb 22, 2021 12:31:09 GMT -5
I told sap I wasn't going to include 3004 1.1 in any offers I make to him when he tried to shop 1.1 this year to me.
Didn't say anything about 1.6 or 1.7 being better.
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Post by Sapular on Feb 22, 2021 12:31:14 GMT -5
I disagree with this thought process. As stated most if not all GM's already know the strong and weak classes and will be less inclined to trade that pick. I have tried to flip 1.1 for this year but because it was a weaker class I was not able to do so. I was being told no because in future years 1.6 and 1.7 WILL be stronger than a 1.1. The fact that that information is known is what makes this the problem and if you cant trade the best asset in the draft for more assets but lesser in quality that tells you the system is broken. It is not as simple as "trade out" unless you are willing to over pay for a good draft class or get F'ed because it is a weaker class. i mean I offered 1.3 and 1.9 for 1.1 this year , you wanted 1.2 , 1.4 1.9 to move it. There is a reason you didn't find a taker that is not entirely true and I was not going to bring you into it but you said and I quote " I am not giving up 2 picks in that year because I feel there will be 5-6 elite guys" |
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Post by bankz on Feb 22, 2021 12:33:08 GMT -5
Who said 1.6 or 1.7 is going to be better than 1.1? I dont know about 1.7 but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if 4-5 (maybe more) rookies from the 3001 class look better than anyone from the 3002 class. at least right away. we can argue the depth of each class and them not being created equal but I would imagine every class would have a strong 2-3 top tier prospects I also don’t see pick 1.6 being better than McHale in any of the future drafts we can trade picks for. |
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Post by Sapular on Feb 22, 2021 12:33:09 GMT -5
the funniest part about all of this is I NEVER said who said what yet some people feel the need to get all defensive. I am on your side with this. This is strange to me. People are trying to defend their move when I am saying I understand it and pointing out the flaw in Bankz saying you can easily trade out
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Post by Trofie on Feb 22, 2021 12:35:08 GMT -5
i mean I offered 1.3 and 1.9 for 1.1 this year , you wanted 1.2 , 1.4 1.9 to move it. There is a reason you didn't find a taker that is not entirely true and I was not going to bring you into it but you said and I quote " I am not giving up 2 picks in that year because I feel there will be 5-6 elite guys" Huh that was your counter not mine. I said I wasn't dealing 1.3 and 1.4 because I felt there were multiple possible elite players in that draft. Then you took off the 1.3 and replaced it with 1.2 in the Durant draft. |
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Post by Majic on Feb 22, 2021 12:37:58 GMT -5
I dont know about 1.7 but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if 4-5 (maybe more) rookies from the 3001 class look better than anyone from the 3002 class. at least right away. we can argue the depth of each class and them not being created equal but I would imagine every class would have a strong 2-3 top tier prospects I also don’t see pick 1.6 being better than McHale in any of the future drafts we can trade picks for. the issue, as I have stated previously is that the 2-3 "top tier prospects" in some drafts don't compare in any way to other drafts. In 5.0 we had at least 2-3 drafts where the "top" players from those drafts weren't anywhere near the same level as other drafts, let alone close to "stronger" draft classes. as someone else has mentioned, GM's aren't stupid and are generally able to determine which draft classes are strong and which are weak. That then weakens, or strengthens, and asset the GM has. This is all completely random so it creates and unfair advantage for some. |
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Post by Sapular on Feb 22, 2021 12:41:41 GMT -5
Take out generational players like Lebron. Is knowing that there are going to be 5-6 players as good or better than the top talent in a draft going to impact how and what you trade?
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Post by bankz on Feb 22, 2021 12:43:35 GMT -5
we can argue the depth of each class and them not being created equal but I would imagine every class would have a strong 2-3 top tier prospects I also don’t see pick 1.6 being better than McHale in any of the future drafts we can trade picks for. the issue, as I have stated previously is that the 2-3 "top tier prospects" in some drafts don't compare in any way to other drafts. In 5.0 we had at least 2-3 drafts where the "top" players from those drafts weren't anywhere near the same level as other drafts, let alone close to "stronger" draft classes. as someone else has mentioned, GM's aren't stupid and are generally able to determine which draft classes are strong and which are weak. That then weakens, or strengthens, and asset the GM has. This is all completely random so it creates and unfair advantage for some. Would you like to tackle the 1.6 in 3006 being better than 1.1 in this draft? |
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Post by Majic on Feb 22, 2021 12:50:22 GMT -5
the issue, as I have stated previously is that the 2-3 "top tier prospects" in some drafts don't compare in any way to other drafts. In 5.0 we had at least 2-3 drafts where the "top" players from those drafts weren't anywhere near the same level as other drafts, let alone close to "stronger" draft classes. as someone else has mentioned, GM's aren't stupid and are generally able to determine which draft classes are strong and which are weak. That then weakens, or strengthens, and asset the GM has. This is all completely random so it creates and unfair advantage for some. Would you like to tackle the 1.6 in 3006 being better than 1.1 in this draft? That wasn't my statement so I am not sure what the context of that statement was. My overall issue is that level of variance between the top tier players of a draft class. There should be a baseline for every draft class where 4-5 players all have the ability to turn into all-stars or better. I am fine with some classes having more or having a transcendent player. Thats all part of it that I am willing to accept with the wheel. In 5.0 we did not have that baseline and at times a large variance between classes that were not fair to GM's. It makes the margin for error when picking much smaller, and it lowers the overall value of that draft pick when looking to trade. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Feb 22, 2021 13:15:10 GMT -5
the issue, as I have stated previously is that the 2-3 "top tier prospects" in some drafts don't compare in any way to other drafts. In 5.0 we had at least 2-3 drafts where the "top" players from those drafts weren't anywhere near the same level as other drafts, let alone close to "stronger" draft classes. as someone else has mentioned, GM's aren't stupid and are generally able to determine which draft classes are strong and which are weak. That then weakens, or strengthens, and asset the GM has. This is all completely random so it creates and unfair advantage for some. Would you like to tackle the 1.6 in 3006 being better than 1.1 in this draft? To be fair, 1.06 in 3006 could end up being Brook Lopez, whom depending on profile could very well have better (displayed or otherwise) grades than McHale. McHale's displayed grades were a bit underwhelming compared to the rooks last year (without knowing any of the scouting info) |
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Post by Druce on Feb 22, 2021 13:16:33 GMT -5
i could see rodney mccray being better than mchale
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Post by bankz on Feb 22, 2021 13:18:47 GMT -5
Would you like to tackle the 1.6 in 3006 being better than 1.1 in this draft? To be fair, 1.06 in 3006 could end up being Brook Lopez, whom depending on profile could very well have better (displayed or otherwise) grades than McHale. McHale's displayed grades were a bit underwhelming compared to the rooks last year (without knowing any of the scouting info) Displayed grades in 6.0 with Eric isn’t a strong talking point. Looking at the scouting from last year his actual builds aren’t really revealed by a grade set. I would imagine that’s also the same this year. 20s and Dirt are extremely high on Kiki and from what I was told by some McHale is a monster |
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Post by bankz on Feb 22, 2021 13:19:06 GMT -5
i could see rodney mccray being better than mchale This will be a take... |
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Post by Druce on Apr 28, 2021 13:08:51 GMT -5
i could see rodney mccray being better than mchale This will be a take... pretty fuckin good one huh?!?!?! |
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Post by bankz on Apr 28, 2021 19:13:46 GMT -5
pretty fuckin good one huh?!?!?! Very good one. That’s nearly as good as your Kemp Jr was bad. |
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