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Post by Druce on Apr 18, 2023 15:22:12 GMT -5
I’m not entirely sure I’m interested in dealing with all the transactions the wheel would include but I’m open to discussion
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Post by TinyTimPig on Apr 18, 2023 17:28:06 GMT -5
Just do a regular weighted lottery.
We've made this league really complicated and that was fun for a while but we can go back to simple.
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Post by kc on Apr 18, 2023 18:58:04 GMT -5
Just do a regular weighted lottery. We've made this league really complicated and that was fun for a while but we can go back to simple. Down for this |
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Post by jhb on Apr 19, 2023 8:19:12 GMT -5
I think everyone is at the point where time is a valuable resource so I think anything to simplify for GMs and commissioner is the way to go
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Post by Sapular on Apr 19, 2023 8:28:10 GMT -5
JHB IS the voice of reason
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Post by Majic on Apr 19, 2023 8:33:32 GMT -5
Here is what the current NBA lottery odds, we could use this or modify it a bit based on the number of teams:
1. 14%
2. 14%
3. 14%
4. 12.5%
5. 10.5%
6. 0%
7. 7.5%
8. 6%
9. 4.5%
10. 3%
11. 2%
12. 1.5%
13. 1%
14. .5%
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Post by Druce on Apr 19, 2023 8:37:05 GMT -5
Thoughts:
Lotto for top 3 picks
DC Rewards Remaining but in a different capacity
No more box score rewards
Need to determine starting draft class
Potential draft class re-balance using top WS players of all time
Removing upgrade trade limit
Additional rewards that can be earned?
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Post by Majic on Apr 19, 2023 8:48:14 GMT -5
Thoughts: Lotto for top 3 picks DC Rewards Remaining but in a different capacity No more box score rewards Need to determine starting draft class Potential draft class re-balance using top WS players of all time Removing upgrade trade limit Additional rewards that can be earned? Lotto for top 3 picks - I would prefer something closer to the NBA model, but this is a fine alternative. DC Rewards Remaining but in a different capacity - maybe we give additional upgrade points to those with an on time and correct DC? addition 5 per team that does it?No more box score rewards - agree on this assuming we have set amounts for team/player upgradesNeed to determine starting draft class - personally loved the idea of using non-NBA college players. I wouldn't be opposed to pulling the list we used to start 6.0. Potential draft class re-balance using top WS players of all time - I know this is something you have suggested for a long time. I am indifferent on this idea, my only request is seeing the draft classes balanced overall. Although, without the wheel its less of a catastrophe if you miss on a high pick, but I still want to see class balancing at the top. Removing upgrade trade limit - this could replace the use of currency in trades since we wont have it. Additional rewards that can be earned? - I have long liked the idea of franchise upgrades, not sure if that would get too complicated though. but earning the ability to have assistant coaches, or integrating the assistant coaches as separate rewards. |
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Post by Druce on Apr 19, 2023 8:52:46 GMT -5
lmao. the nba lotto is literally for the top 3 picks guy
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Post by Majic on Apr 19, 2023 8:53:47 GMT -5
lmao. the nba lotto is literally for the top 3 picks guy Sorry, misunderstood. I thought you were saying only the bottom 3 teams get lotto odds. |
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Post by 20s on Apr 19, 2023 9:02:41 GMT -5
lmao. the nba lotto is literally for the top 3 picks guy It’s actually top 4 now, but the software only does top 3 so if we do that, it’s fine. |
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Post by Odin on Apr 19, 2023 9:54:04 GMT -5
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Post by Trofie on Apr 19, 2023 17:40:01 GMT -5
Spit balling, we could get rid of draft years and random players mixing them all up. Essentially tier the players into 4 tiers. Depending on gm count. Let's say you have 20 gms. 4 tier 1, 6 tier 2 , 10 tier 3, 20 tier 4.
Also like the top 3 lotto , but would like a weighted 5 or 6 then the rest of the lotto is reverse standings to curb tanking. Just thoughts
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Post by Druce on Apr 20, 2023 6:59:54 GMT -5
Spit balling, we could get rid of draft years and random players mixing them all up. Essentially tier the players into 4 tiers. Depending on gm count. Let's say you have 20 gms. 4 tier 1, 6 tier 2 , 10 tier 3, 20 tier 4. Also like the top 3 lotto , but would like a weighted 5 or 6 then the rest of the lotto is reverse standings to curb tanking. Just thoughts So I think with draft classes, I could take win share players 1-100, 101-200, 201-300, and 301-400. Match them up 1+100+200+201, 2+99+199+202 etc. then randomize them and assign them a draft year. |
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Post by Druce on Apr 20, 2023 7:11:46 GMT -5
How do we feel about incorporating the WNBA greats? I can adjust their height/weight to correlate with nba
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1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 273.41 1
100 Tracy McGrady* 97.27 1
150 Tiny Archibald* 83.41 1
151 Vern Mikkelsen* 83.4 1
201 Michael Cage 74.38 1
300 Swin Cash 1
2 LeBron James 255.14 2
99 Jerry Lucas* 98.41 2
149 Steve Smith 83.71 2
152 Richard Jefferson 83.03 2
202 Louie Dampier* 74.1 2
299 Jennifer Gillom 2
3 Wilt Chamberlain* 247.26 3
98 Allen Iverson* 98.97 3
148 Calvin Murphy* 84.12 3
153 Joe Johnson 82.86 3
203 Luol Deng 74.04 3
298 Angel McCoughtry 3
4 Karl Malone* 234.63 4
97 A.C. Green 99.46 4
147 Dale Ellis 84.69 4
154 Bill Sharman* 82.76 4
204 Alvan Adams 73.47 4
297 Cynthia Cooper 4
5 Michael Jordan* 214.02 5
96 Grant Hill* 99.93 5
146 Chris Webber* 84.69 5
155 Dennis Johnson* 82.58 5
205 Kyle Korver 73.4 5
296 Skylar Diggins 5
6 John Stockton* 207.7 6
95 Anthony Davis 100.27 6
145 Tim Hardaway* 84.98 6
156 Peja Stojaković 82.55 6
206 Nenê 73.31 6
295 Jewell Loyd 6
7 Tim Duncan* 206.38 7
94 Andre Iguodala 100.36 7
144 Michael Finley 85.22 7
157 Kevin Willis 81.79 7
207 Mike Bibby 73.23 7
294 Chiney Ogwumike 7
8 Dirk Nowitzki 206.34 8
93 Ed Macauley* 100.42 8
143 Cliff Hagan* 85.28 8
158 Marcus Camby 81.62 8
208 Jonas Valančiūnas 73.2 8
293 Caitlyn Clark 8
9 Chris Paul 205.05 9
92 Eddie Jones 100.56 9
142 Marc Gasol 85.28 9
159 James Worthy* 81.23 9
209 Serge Ibaka 72.98 9
292 A'ja Wilson 9
10 Kevin Garnett* 191.42 10
91 Alex English* 100.68 10
141 Rod Strickland 85.79 10
160 Paul George 81.19 10
210 Bill Cartwright 72.82 10
291 Jackie Young 10
11 Artis Gilmore* 189.65 11
90 Andre Miller 100.79 11
140 David West 85.85 11
161 Blake Griffin 81.14 11
211 Ricky Pierce 72.17 11
290 Sabrina Ionescu 11
12 Oscar Robertson* 189.21 12
89 Jason Terry 101.99 12
139 Joe Dumars* 86.21 12
162 Zach Randolph 81.12 12
212 Mookie Blaylock 71.84 12
289 Charlie Collier 12
13 Shaquille O'Neal* 181.71 13
88 Tyson Chandler 102.09 13
138 Dave Cowens* 86.32 13
163 Lou Hudson* 81.01 13
213 Danny Ainge 71.51 13
288 Rhyne Howard 13
14 Julius Erving* 181.11 14
87 Hal Greer* 102.65 14
137 Derek Harper 86.8 14
164 Isiah Thomas* 80.69 14
214 Jamaal Wilkes* 71.26 14
287 Aliyah Boston 14
15 Moses Malone* 179.15 15
86 Damian Lillard 103.07 15
136 Dale Davis 86.86 15
165 Bob Dandridge* 80.3 15
215 Shareef Abdur-Rahim 71.19 15
286 Brittney Griner 41.86 15
16 David Robinson* 178.67 16
85 Maurice Cheeks* 103.48 16
135 Sam Cassell 87.46 16
166 Carlos Boozer 80.28 16
216 Mark Price 71.08 16
285 Seimone Augustus 41.93 16
17 Charles Barkley* 177.21 17
84 Elgin Baylor* 104.15 17
134 Antawn Jamison 87.85 17
167 Paul Silas 79.93 17
217 George Hill 70.99 17
284 Tina Charles 42.18 17
18 Reggie Miller* 174.4 18
83 Rasheed Wallace 105.09 18
133 Anthony Mason 88.3 18
168 Marques Johnson 79.76 18
218 Al Jefferson 70.99 18
283 Candice Dupree 44.18 18
19 Kobe Bryant* 172.74 19
82 Sam Perkins 105.39 19
132 Glen Rice 88.71 19
169 Kyrie Irving 79.45 19
219 Thaddeus Young 70.68 19
282 Becky Hammon 44.94 19
20 Bill Russell* 163.51 20
81 Bill Laimbeer 105.56 20
131 Bob McAdoo* 89.08 20
170 Brook Lopez 79.43 20
220 Clyde Lovellette* 70.62 20
281 Elena Delle Donne 47.39 20
21 Hakeem Olajuwon* 162.77 21
80 Jimmy Butler 105.91 21
130 Shawn Kemp 89.51 21
171 Mitch Richmond* 79.3 21
221 Brent Barry 70.51 21
280 Rebekkah Brunson 48.56 21
22 Jerry West* 162.58 22
79 Chris Bosh* 106 22
129 Charles Oakley 89.68 22
172 Larry Foust 79.17 22
222 Andre Drummond 70.51 22
279 Katie Douglas 48.94 22
23 Kevin Durant 161.93 23
78 Zelmo Beaty* 106 23
128 Clifford Robinson 89.73 23
173 Tom Chambers 78.97 23
223 Hot Rod Williams 70.51 23
278 Penny Taylor 48.98 23
24 James Harden 158 24
77 Otis Thorpe 106.39 24
127 Alonzo Mourning* 89.74 24
174 Jimmy Jones 78.83 24
224 Billy Paultz 70.43 24
277 DeWanna Bonner 51.68 24
25 Dan Issel* 157.82 25
76 Manu Ginóbili* 106.4 25
126 Dennis Rodman* 89.83 25
175 Billy Cunningham* 78.6 25
225 Rudy Tomjanovich* 70.35 25
276 Maya Moore 53.53 25
26 Magic Johnson* 155.79 26
75 Al Horford 106.59 26
125 P.J. Brown 89.84 26
176 Cedric Maxwell 78.51 26
226 Happy Hairston 70.04 26
275 Taj McWilliams-Franklin 53.86 26
27 Paul Pierce* 150.04 27
74 Kyle Lowry 108.08 27
124 Sidney Moncrief* 90.32 27
177 Dan Majerle 78.51 27
227 Antonio McDyess 69.81 27
274 Sheryl Swoopes* 56.06 27
28 Robert Parish* 147 28
73 Russell Westbrook 108.44 28
123 Kawhi Leonard 90.35 28
178 Spencer Haywood* 78.46 28
228 Larry Johnson 69.73 28
273 Nneka Ogwumike 57.22 28
29 Larry Bird* 145.83 29
72 Carmelo Anthony 108.52 29
122 Hersey Hawkins 90.62 29
179 Harry Gallatin* 78.36 29
229 Jerome Kersey 69.52 29
272 Yolanda Griffith* 59.38 29
30 Gary Payton* 145.53 30
71 George Mikan* 108.66 30
121 Rashard Lewis 90.85 30
180 Nate Thurmond* 78 30
230 Richie Guerin* 69.19 30
271 Katie Smith* 59.77 30
31 Ray Allen* 145.08 31
70 Paul Arizin* 108.8 31
120 Bob Cousy* 91.11 31
181 Stephon Marbury 77.48 31
231 Maurice Lucas 68.96 31
270 Lindsay Whalen* 59.79 31
32 Pau Gasol 144.07 32
69 Jeff Hornacek 108.87 32
119 Terry Cummings 91.12 32
182 Earl Monroe* 77.4 32
232 John Drew 68.91 32
269 Lisa Leslie* 59.81 32
33 Dolph Schayes* 142.4 33
68 Detlef Schrempf 109.52 33
118 Kevin Love 91.22 33
183 Deron Williams 77.31 33
233 Dave Bing* 68.77 33
268 Tina Thompson* 60.7 33
34 Dwight Howard 141.73 34
67 Larry Nance 109.57 34
117 Mark Jackson 91.78 34
184 Lamar Odom 76.98 34
234 Karl-Anthony Towns 68.74 34
267 Sue Bird 61.63 34
35 Jason Kidd* 138.56 35
66 Elton Brand 109.63 35
116 Neil Johnston* 91.99 35
185 Walter Davis 76.94 35
235 Dick Barnett 68.69 35
266 Candace Parker 62.25 35
36 Bob Pettit* 136.05 36
65 Wes Unseld* 110.08 36
115 DeMar DeRozan 92.25 36
186 Connie Hawkins* 76.72 36
236 Doc Rivers 68.19 36
265 Diana Taurasi 71.24 36
37 Clyde Drexler* 135.57 37
64 Terry Porter 110.39 37
114 Sam Jones* 92.29 37
187 Brad Miller 76.51 37
237 Gus Williams 67.94 37
264 Lauren Jackson* 73.03 37
38 Adrian Dantley* 134.22 38
63 Tony Parker 111.33 38
113 Mike Conley 92.3 38
188 Gail Goodrich* 76.34 38
238 Mark Aguirre 67.81 38
263 Sylvia Fowles 73.5 38
39 John Havlicek* 131.72 39
62 Jack Sikma* 112.46 39
112 Amar'e Stoudemire 92.52 39
189 David Lee 76.05 39
239 Paul Westphal* 67.67 39
262 Tamika Catchings* 93.66 39
40 Walt Bellamy* 130.05 40
61 Kevin McHale* 113.04 40
111 Kevin Johnson 92.77 40
190 Shane Battier 75.67 40
240 World B. Free 67.67 40
261 Carl Braun* 64.28 40
41 Steve Nash* 129.73 41
60 Walt Frazier* 113.54 41
110 Chris Mullin* 93.08 41
191 Rolando Blackman 75.61 41
241 Nikola Vučević 67.19 41
260 Trevor Ariza 64.28 41
42 Rick Barry* 128.94 42
59 Bailey Howell* 114.82 42
109 Ben Wallace* 93.51 42
192 Kiki Vandeweghe 75.57 42
242 Nicolas Batum 67.06 42
259 Derrick Coleman 64.29 42
43 Stephen Curry 128 43
58 LaMarcus Aldridge 115.65 43
108 Bobby Jones* 94.06 43
193 Andrei Kirilenko 75.4 43
243 Reggie Theus 66.93 43
258 Archie Clark 64.66 43
44 Patrick Ewing* 126.45 44
57 George Gervin* 116.28 44
107 Rudy Gobert 94.36 44
194 Bernard King* 75.35 44
244 Dan Roundfield 66.49 44
257 Christian Laettner 64.93 44
45 Vince Carter 125.27 45
56 Dikembe Mutombo* 116.98 45
106 Nikola Jokić 94.53 45
195 Dick Van Arsdale 75.22 45
245 Robert Horry 66.35 45
256 Marvin Williams 65.11 45
46 Scottie Pippen* 125.08 46
55 Bob Lanier* 117.11 46
105 Paul Millsap 95.43 46
196 Byron Scott 75.16 46
246 Zydrunas Ilgauskas 66.29 46
255 Brad Daugherty 65.19 46
47 Shawn Marion 124.91 47
54 Chet Walker* 117.35 47
104 Lenny Wilkens* 95.53 47
197 Jack Twyman* 75.01 47
247 Caldwell Jones 66.17 47
254 Dan Roundfield 65.22 47
48 Chauncey Billups 120.78 48
53 Dominique Wilkins* 117.47 48
103 DeAndre Jordan 95.77 48
198 Willis Reed* 74.92 48
248 Jermaine O'Neal 65.95 48
253 Eddie Johnson 65.61 48
49 Elvin Hayes* 120.76 49
52 Horace Grant 118.23 49
102 Giannis Antetokounmpo 96.11 49
199 George McGinnis* 74.59 49
249 Terrell Brandon 65.95 49
252 Lou Williams 65.75 49
50 Dwyane Wade 120.71 50
51 Buck Williams 120.09 50
101 Vlade Divac* 96.42 50
200 Don Nelson* 74.57 50
250 Yao Ming* 65.94 50
251 Ron Harper 65.77 50
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Post by Druce on Apr 20, 2023 7:34:43 GMT -5
^ I like this a lot and think we should roll with it.
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Post by jhb on Apr 20, 2023 8:21:28 GMT -5
How do we feel about incorporating the WNBA greats? I can adjust their height/weight to correlate with nba I like this as long as we don't rename them Benji Hammon and Cameron Parker and shit. I would just add 6 inches and 50 lbs for all of them to even them up. That would put Aliyah Boston (6'4" or 6'5" depending on where you look and 180 lbs) at 6'11" 230. Caitlin Clark and Diana Taurasi (6' 155) would be 6'6" 205. I wouldn't mind doing something similar to what we did in 5.0 or 6.0 where we started with WNBA legends, other non-NBA legends - international/streetball/Globetrotters, current HS/college players (current draft class so we get Scoot and Wemby), perhaps a handful of fan favorite fictional players, and then some GM submitted favorite players (your favorite college players who never made it big, NCAA tournament stars) or players who wouldn't be in the player pool Druce established above like infamous draft busts, etc. that we make older to round out the player pool. |
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Post by Majic on Apr 20, 2023 8:25:00 GMT -5
How do we feel about incorporating the WNBA greats? I can adjust their height/weight to correlate with nba I like this as long as we don't rename them Benji Hammon and Cameron Parker and shit. I would just add 6 inches and 50 lbs for all of them to even them up. That would put Aliyah Boston (6'4" or 6'5" depending on where you look and 180 lbs) at 6'11" 230. Caitlin Clark and Diana Taurasi (6' 155) would be 6'6" 205. I wouldn't mind doing something similar to what we did in 5.0 or 6.0 where we started with WNBA legends, other non-NBA legends - international/streetball/Globetrotters, current HS/college players (current draft class so we get Scoot and Wemby), perhaps a handful of fan favorite fictional players, and then some GM submitted favorite players (your favorite college players who never made it big, NCAA tournament stars) or players who wouldn't be in the player pool Druce established above like infamous draft busts, etc. that we make older to round out the player pool. Love all of this and like the plan with the draft classes. I think evening them out is perfect. Also, big fan of using the Non-NBA legends to start the league out. I feel like that worked really well for the start of 6.0 and allowed us to use known names that werent major NBA players. I am sure we can pull that list up and use it as a baseline, then add/subtract as we want. |
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Post by Druce on Apr 20, 2023 8:42:56 GMT -5
How do we feel about incorporating the WNBA greats? I can adjust their height/weight to correlate with nba I like this as long as we don't rename them Benji Hammon and Cameron Parker and shit. I would just add 6 inches and 50 lbs for all of them to even them up. That would put Aliyah Boston (6'4" or 6'5" depending on where you look and 180 lbs) at 6'11" 230. Caitlin Clark and Diana Taurasi (6' 155) would be 6'6" 205. I wouldn't mind doing something similar to what we did in 5.0 or 6.0 where we started with WNBA legends, other non-NBA legends - international/streetball/Globetrotters, current HS/college players (current draft class so we get Scoot and Wemby), perhaps a handful of fan favorite fictional players, and then some GM submitted favorite players (your favorite college players who never made it big, NCAA tournament stars) or players who wouldn't be in the player pool Druce established above like infamous draft busts, etc. that we make older to round out the player pool. Yeah I'm not renaming them. Infamous draft busts I'd like to keep in their IRL class so that maybe the sim could see them reverse their fortunes. With the list above that gives us 6 locked in profile players, and the DM could then add say 6 notable players not included (1.1 irl etc.) for the other profiles. The creation draft pool could be similar to the 6.0 one in that we could have the current class, famous non-nba guys, and everyones favorite college greats/other players/fictional players. |
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Post by 20s on Apr 20, 2023 8:54:42 GMT -5
^ I like this a lot and think we should roll with it. That class seems loaded IMO IYAM |
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Post by Majic on Apr 20, 2023 8:58:36 GMT -5
I like this as long as we don't rename them Benji Hammon and Cameron Parker and shit. I would just add 6 inches and 50 lbs for all of them to even them up. That would put Aliyah Boston (6'4" or 6'5" depending on where you look and 180 lbs) at 6'11" 230. Caitlin Clark and Diana Taurasi (6' 155) would be 6'6" 205. I wouldn't mind doing something similar to what we did in 5.0 or 6.0 where we started with WNBA legends, other non-NBA legends - international/streetball/Globetrotters, current HS/college players (current draft class so we get Scoot and Wemby), perhaps a handful of fan favorite fictional players, and then some GM submitted favorite players (your favorite college players who never made it big, NCAA tournament stars) or players who wouldn't be in the player pool Druce established above like infamous draft busts, etc. that we make older to round out the player pool. Yeah I'm not renaming them. Infamous draft busts I'd like to keep in their IRL class so that maybe the sim could see them reverse their fortunes. With the list above that gives us 6 locked in profile players, and the DM could then add say 6 notable players not included (1.1 irl etc.) for the other profiles. The creation draft pool could be similar to the 6.0 one in that we could have the current class, famous non-nba guys, and everyones favorite college greats/other players/fictional players. I would be willing to be the first Profile Creator, as long as its OK to pull from existing profiles in 5.0 and 6.0 with my own spin. |
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Post by Druce on Apr 20, 2023 9:01:12 GMT -5
Also, in regards to draft classes, for non-profile guys I'd be a-ok with multiple strengths and weaknesses, as much info as the dm wants to include works for me.
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Post by Odin on Apr 20, 2023 11:18:44 GMT -5
team reveal all ratings each season after tc. probably the only way i'd come back as gm. not interested in dealing with scouting, etc
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Post by TinyTimPig on Apr 20, 2023 11:35:04 GMT -5
It may be a good idea to eliminate the need for a DM somehow. It's more of a hassle on the commissioner to need to read profiles and on the DM to write them all up.
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Post by Druce on Apr 20, 2023 11:38:48 GMT -5
It may be a good idea to eliminate the need for a DM somehow. It's more of a hassle on the commissioner to need to read profiles and on the DM to write them all up. I think the primary role of the DM would be to take the player creation spreadsheet and add the names/height/weight/college/age to all the guys, and then we can simplify what is posted to a few strengths and weaknesses etc. |
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Post by killiam bing on Apr 20, 2023 11:41:51 GMT -5
It may be a good idea to eliminate the need for a DM somehow. It's more of a hassle on the commissioner to need to read profiles and on the DM to write them all up. I think the primary role of the DM would be to take the player creation spreadsheet and add the names/height/weight/college/age to all the guys, and then we can simplify what is posted to a few strengths and weaknesses etc.
Here is an example of the sheet I currently send to eric:
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Post by 20s on Apr 20, 2023 11:45:30 GMT -5
The last time I read a profile it was on my first generation iPad you know what I’m saying haha lol
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Post by cf3234 on Apr 20, 2023 12:55:14 GMT -5
I never made it to wheel league. would be fun to try
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Post by Druce on Apr 20, 2023 13:14:45 GMT -5
I never made it to wheel league. would be fun to try I've got very little to no interest in running a wheel league, and would need a significant majority to be convinced otherwise. |
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