The Best Pure Talent: Western Conference Edition (571 views)

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Best Pure Talent: Western Conference Edition

Rankings will always be popular in tmbsl.  And after the commotion the Eastern Conference version caused I look forward to bringing you the West counterpart.  With that said let's dive in...

15) Sidney Green 

Sidney Green is first on the list and I struggled with the thought of ranking him this high. Some around the league may think i’m insane for making that statement but let me explain what I don’t like about green. He’s not efficient and in a league filled with big men who score and score with great percentages Green doesn’t. He leads the league in volume and thus has inflated grades. On a great team Green is a good player but not elite.

14) Kennedy Meeks 

Kennedy Meeks is my fourteenth best pure talent in the west. He’s the first of two Chapparells to make this list. A soon to be free agent who we can all hope breaks the heart of Mr. Chap. J/K but maybe not. Meeks has been a force in the league since day one. Meeks has always shown the ability to score and very efficiently. Would be nice to get a little more defense or rebounding out of him. Had he displayed that we were talking top 5 talent in the west.

13) Demetrius Mitchell 

Demetrius Mitchell is the only point guard to make the list. A member of the Grizzlies and one of four Grizzlies to grace this top 15 highlighting what an impressive roster Druce has created. Mitchell is one of the few highly efficient scoring point guards in the league. A T/ SPA of 1.203 is mighty impressive. Low turnovers are a plus even though he could pass the ball a little more.

12) Randy Wittman 

Randy Wittman checks in at number twelve and after playing on some poor teams in Seattle has kept his production high sharing the ball with another Laker we will get into as the list unfolds. 20/5 for Whitman with amazing shooting percentages. He’s provening me wrong when I once said he may be fools' gold.

11) Jarvis Lang 

The second Grizzlie member comes in at number 11 on the list. One half of a deadly duo down low in Vancouver he’s helped lead the Grizzlies to one title win and back to back finals appearances. Lang will score and a good efficient rate. He’s a solid but not great rebounder and will foul other bigs out. His defense could use some tender loving care but the fact his “f” potential isn’t hurting his production as the year passes, one would imagine Druce is more than happy to take the small imperfections.

10) Rodney McCray 

Rodney McCray gets very little attention around the league, but he will get lots of love from me on this list. And while his head coach can't figure out how to get the man playing time Rodney is still rewarding the Spurs with a very efficient 15/8/4 on .517% his per 36 suggest if they can figure out that DC Rodney could be a premier wing player out west. A valuable asset for Pointy as he continues the slow build of Spurs.

9) Doug Wrenn 

Doug Wrenn checks in at number nine on our list as we begin to dissect the top 10 players out west. Wrenn was a mid season acquisition for Druce and rewarded that rist by re-signing a long term deal in Vancouver. 22/10 from a wing spot is fantastic and in the fact he’s so very efficient with a .515/.805/.345 slash and you see why very few wings out west match up with Wrenn.

8) Ralph Sampson 

The first of two Blazers makes the list at number eight. The former number two pick of the 3001 Sim League Draft has always had a spotlight on him more so because of who could be a member of the Blazers vs just how good he is on the sim court. Sampson is a monster on the sim court. Good scorer on very efficient percentages along with elite rebounding and great defense. He’s a very well rounded big man and a big reason why the Blazers are one of the premier defensive teams out west.

7) Josh Peppers 

Back to back Blazers make this list as Josh Peppers is the seventh best pure talent in the western conference. It's hard to find something not to like about Peppers. Shooting a fantastic .592 from the field the guy just puts the ball in the basket so naturally. There isn’t a wing in the West that can match that level of efficiency along with scoring output.

6) Joshua Smith 

From Josh to Joshua the final member of the Vancouver Grizzlies to make the list is the second half of a deadly combo, that man is Joshua Smith. At 6’10” and 310lbs this massive man has bullied top big men in the league for years. Dominating and fouling out souls nightly. His production slightly outpaces Lang and the two have been nearly unstoppable come playoff time.

5) Marc Gasol 

The last Laker to make the list is the first overall selection of this past draft class. Gasol leads the West in PER 36 and has the highest win shares for any big man out West. We are nit picking at the top but some improvement in his efficiency could see him climb the list to number one down the road. 34/9/6 with 2.7 bleals a game, lord have mercy on the future of sim league.

4) Moala Tautuaa 

We have reached the top four of our list and a trip to the Island is in order to visit with Moala Tautuaa. This man has been dominating the league since day one. And even with age starting to creep up on Moala he’s still an insane player. A 26/10/5 per 36 with very low turnovers is the brightest spot to his game. A rare elite passing big man that’s done it all in Sim League including winning the first ever Sim League Championship.

3) Tyreese Breshers 

Third on the list is our second Texas Chaparral and his name is Tyreese Breshers. And even though executives inside the franchise can’t pronounce his name correctly he still decided to make Chap one of the luckiest GMs in the league by signing a max contract. He’s developed incredibly well in Texas and is one of the elite big men in our league. His efficiency is second to none with high usage. He fills the stat box and dominates nightly. 27/9 with 1.5 bleals is very sexy.

2) Al Horford 

Second will likely surprise a lot of people around the league. Going to cause some controversy around the league with making Al Horford my third best pure talent in the league. I understand his sample size is small given his injury. But what he’s provided and based on scouts I trust I feel very confident with having Big Al this high. Amazingly enough the Bucks aren’t skipping a beat out west without him. He will have an opportunity to really shine for the playoffs. Good luck west dealing with that roster. Scouts I trust indicated he could be a slightly better Antoine Carr and his production and efficiency confirm what I saw. This kid is legit.

1) Antonio Gates 

Back to back Bucks are right at the top of this ranking. Antonio Gates in my opinion may be the premier wing in the entire league. Shooting percentages on high usage are great. He fills all the boxes with rebounds, steals and assists. His turnovers aren’t awful either. Very little to dislike about Gates. This young man matched with Horford are going to make the Bucks perennial favorites out west.

TMBSL TOP 10

1)Bojan Dubljevic 

2) Antoine Carr 

3) Antonio Gates 

4) Al Horford 

5) Dale Ellis 

6) Tyreese Breshers 

7) Hank Gathers 

8) Wayne Estes 

9) Devin Williams 

10) Moala Tautuaa 

[IanBoyd]

Can you fix the text color? its literally black on black in dark mode.

[bankz]

Mar 28, 2021 22:26:51 GMT -5 IanBoyd said:

Can you fix the text color? its literally black on black in dark mode.

Sorry, no clue what happened.  But should be fixed 

[IanBoyd]

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[Soup]

Mar 28, 2021 22:29:24 GMT -5 IanBoyd said:

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[Dirt]

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[Handsome Pete]

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[Trofie]

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[Handsome Pete]

Wittman over Sidney Green is definitely a take I wasn't ready for haha

[Dirt]

i feel like this is a list of best FG%

[Herby New Year!]

Sidney Green PER - 30.7 W/S - 9.7
Kennedy Meeks PER - 22.8 W/S - 5.7
Demetrius Mitchell PER - 22.1 W/S - 5.8
Randy Whitman PER - 21.3 W/S - 5.4
Jarvis Lang PER - 22.8 W/S - 5.9
Rodney McCray PER - 24.2 W/S - 6.3
Doug Wrenn PER - 21.7 W/S - 7.4
Ralph Sampson PER - 17.4 W/S - 8.5
Josh Peppers PER - 23.2 W/S - 6.6
Joshua Smith PER - 24.3 W/S - 7.6
Marc Gasol PER - 32.8 W/S - 11.6
Moala Tautuaa PER - 24.5 W/S - 6.8
Tyrese Breshers PER - 28.7 W/S - 8.0
Al Horford PER - 28.7 W/S - 3.1
Antonio Gates PER - 27.7 W/S - 11.5

Gasol and Sidney Green too low. Whitman, Peppers, and Moala too high.

Ruland snubbed altogether.

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[bankz]

Mar 29, 2021 11:05:04 GMT -5 Herby New Year! said:

Sidney Green PER - 30.7 W/S - 9.7
Kennedy Meeks PER - 22.8 W/S - 5.7
Demetrius Mitchell PER - 22.1 W/S - 5.8
Randy Whitman PER - 21.3 W/S - 5.4
Jarvis Lang PER - 22.8 W/S - 5.9
Rodney McCray PER - 24.2 W/S - 6.3
Doug Wrenn PER - 21.7 W/S - 7.4
Ralph Sampson PER - 17.4 W/S - 8.5
Josh Peppers PER - 23.2 W/S - 6.6
Joshua Smith PER - 24.3 W/S - 7.6
Marc Gasol PER - 32.8 W/S - 11.6
Moala Tautuaa PER - 24.5 W/S - 6.8
Tyrese Breshers PER - 28.7 W/S - 8.0
Al Horford PER - 28.7 W/S - 3.1
Antonio Gates PER - 27.7 W/S - 11.5

Gasol and Sidney Green too low. Whitman, Peppers, and Moala too high.

Ruland snubbed altogether.

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Who would you put Ruland over? 

[bankz]

Mar 29, 2021 10:44:49 GMT -5 Dirt said:

i feel like this is a list of best FG%

Being able to shoot the ball efficiently is pretty important to me when judging players.  

[20s]

Mar 29, 2021 11:05:04 GMT -5 Herby New Year! said:

Sidney Green PER - 30.7 W/S - 9.7
Kennedy Meeks PER - 22.8 W/S - 5.7
Demetrius Mitchell PER - 22.1 W/S - 5.8
Randy Whitman PER - 21.3 W/S - 5.4
Jarvis Lang PER - 22.8 W/S - 5.9
Rodney McCray PER - 24.2 W/S - 6.3
Doug Wrenn PER - 21.7 W/S - 7.4
Ralph Sampson PER - 17.4 W/S - 8.5
Josh Peppers PER - 23.2 W/S - 6.6
Joshua Smith PER - 24.3 W/S - 7.6
Marc Gasol PER - 32.8 W/S - 11.6
Moala Tautuaa PER - 24.5 W/S - 6.8
Tyrese Breshers PER - 28.7 W/S - 8.0
Al Horford PER - 28.7 W/S - 3.1
Antonio Gates PER - 27.7 W/S - 11.5

Gasol and Sidney Green too low. Whitman, Peppers, and Moala too high.

Ruland snubbed altogether.

50k

Whoa, buddy.  Looks like you are judging them based on production here.  This is a Best Pure Talent list.

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would have liked to see both conferences in a single article

[20s]

Mar 28, 2021 22:23:42 GMT -5 bankz said:

15) Sidney Green 

Sidney Green is first on the list and I struggled with the thought of ranking him this high. Some around the league may think i’m insane for making that statement but let me explain what I don’t like about green. He’s not efficient and in a league filled with big men who score and score with great percentages Green doesn’t. He leads the league in volume and thus has inflated grades. On a great team Green is a good player but not elite.

Mar 28, 2021 22:23:42 GMT -5 bankz said:

10) Rodney McCray 

Rodney McCray gets very little attention around the league, but he will get lots of love from me on this list. And while his head coach can't figure out how to get the man playing time Rodney is still rewarding the Spurs with a very efficient 15/8/4 on .517% his per 36 suggest if they can figure out that DC Rodney could be a premier wing player out west. A valuable asset for Pointy as he continues the slow build of Spurs.

Sidney Green pts/tsa: 1.128
Rodney McCray pts/tsa: 1.128

One: "he's not efficient"
Other: "very efficient"

[Dirt]

to be fair i think 1.128 is above average for a wing not so much for a big

[Dirt]

but Bankz hate for Green runs deep

[bankz]

Mar 29, 2021 11:18:17 GMT -5 20s said:

Mar 28, 2021 22:23:42 GMT -5 bankz said:

15) Sidney Green 

Sidney Green is first on the list and I struggled with the thought of ranking him this high. Some around the league may think i’m insane for making that statement but let me explain what I don’t like about green. He’s not efficient and in a league filled with big men who score and score with great percentages Green doesn’t. He leads the league in volume and thus has inflated grades. On a great team Green is a good player but not elite.

Mar 28, 2021 22:23:42 GMT -5 bankz said:

10) Rodney McCray 

Rodney McCray gets very little attention around the league, but he will get lots of love from me on this list. And while his head coach can't figure out how to get the man playing time Rodney is still rewarding the Spurs with a very efficient 15/8/4 on .517% his per 36 suggest if they can figure out that DC Rodney could be a premier wing player out west. A valuable asset for Pointy as he continues the slow build of Spurs.

Sidney Green pts/tsa: 1.128
Rodney McCray pts/tsa: 1.128

One: "he's not efficient"
Other: "very efficient"

One is shooting 49% from the field and the other 52%  
Since both are shooting more from the field than the stripe I think it's fair to slightly knock one for being a sub .50% when being compared to elite talent that all are over .50% 

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Mar 29, 2021 11:25:34 GMT -5 bankz said:

Mar 29, 2021 11:18:17 GMT -5 20s said:

Sidney Green pts/tsa: 1.128
Rodney McCray pts/tsa: 1.128

One: "he's not efficient"
Other: "very efficient"

One is shooting 49% from the field and the other 52%  
Since both are shooting more from the field than the stripe I think it's fair to slightly knock one for being a sub .50% when being compared to elite talent that all are over .50% 

So you knock one player for appearing more inefficient to a lazy analysis?

quality work from bankz as usual

[bankz]

Mar 29, 2021 11:24:50 GMT -5 Dirt said:

but Bankz hate for Green runs deep

"hate"  where have I displayed hate for green?  

I think the only conversation i've gotten into about Green was yesterday in shout where I called him a good player but not elite.   And Eric came into shout and co-signed my entire argument and took it a step further and called Green a Larry Drew Sr type player.  

Let's keep it accurate 

[20s]

Mar 29, 2021 11:25:34 GMT -5 bankz said:

One is shooting 49% from the field and the other 52%  

lol what? this doesn't matter, they are equally efficient in scoring points when they shoot

[bankz]

Mar 29, 2021 11:27:24 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

Mar 29, 2021 11:25:34 GMT -5 bankz said:

One is shooting 49% from the field and the other 52%  
Since both are shooting more from the field than the stripe I think it's fair to slightly knock one for being a sub .50% when being compared to elite talent that all are over .50% 

So you knock one player for appearing more inefficient to a lazy analysis?

quality work from bankz as usual

Green isn't as efficient as other bigs.   He's one of the few sub 50% shooters to make either list.   He's a high usage guy on a terrible team with inflated numbers.  I kept him on the list because I believe if he played on a top tier team his numbers would dip but its possible he shoots slightly better because of the lower volume.  Eric doesn't believe that to be the case but till the Kings surround him with talent or he's moved to a contender we wont know for sure. 

There is nothing lazy in my analysis.   I spent hours diving into the numbers, making comparisons and formulating my opinion.   You are free to disagree with them and free to vote this a 15 or whatever petty insecure vote you want to drop.   But don't question the effort or work I put in.  

[20s]

I'm not questioning the effort or work, I'm just letting you know it's wrong to call Green "not efficient" and McCray "very efficient" when they have been equally efficient this season.

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Mar 29, 2021 11:35:15 GMT -5 bankz said:

Mar 29, 2021 11:27:24 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

So you knock one player for appearing more inefficient to a lazy analysis?

quality work from bankz as usual

Green isn't as efficient as other bigs.   He's one of the few sub 50% shooters to make either list.   He's a high usage guy on a terrible team with inflated numbers.  I kept him on the list because I believe if he played on a top tier team his numbers would dip but its possible he shoots slightly better because of the lower volume.  Eric doesn't believe that to be the case but till the Kings surround him with talent or he's moved to a contender we wont know for sure. 

There is nothing lazy in my analysis.   I spent hours diving into the numbers, making comparisons and formulating my opinion.   You are free to disagree with them and free to vote this a 15 or whatever petty insecure vote you want to drop.   But don't question the effort or work I put in.  

if you are deciding how efficient two players are by looking at their FG% when pts/tsa is provided on the roster page then your analysis was lazy AND bad. its just a fact dude.

[Odin]

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[bankz]

Mar 29, 2021 11:37:44 GMT -5 20s said:

I'm not questioning the effort or work, I'm just letting you know it's wrong to call Green "not efficient" and McCray "very efficient" when they have been equally efficient this season.

There are 4 wings in the west with a per over 20 that are more efficient than McCray.  Sorry for labeling that "very efficient" 

There are 6 PF and 6 Centers with a per over 20 that as efficient a scorer or better (5 who didn't even make the list) sorry for labeling that "he's not very efficient" 

My effort in comparing like players must have been a bit confusing.  I'll take the blame on not making that clearer on the write out 

[bankz]

Mar 29, 2021 11:40:06 GMT -5 @jayz93j said:

Mar 29, 2021 11:35:15 GMT -5 bankz said:

Green isn't as efficient as other bigs.   He's one of the few sub 50% shooters to make either list.   He's a high usage guy on a terrible team with inflated numbers.  I kept him on the list because I believe if he played on a top tier team his numbers would dip but its possible he shoots slightly better because of the lower volume.  Eric doesn't believe that to be the case but till the Kings surround him with talent or he's moved to a contender we wont know for sure. 

There is nothing lazy in my analysis.   I spent hours diving into the numbers, making comparisons and formulating my opinion.   You are free to disagree with them and free to vote this a 15 or whatever petty insecure vote you want to drop.   But don't question the effort or work I put in.  

if you are deciding how efficient two players are by looking at their FG% when pts/tsa is provided on the roster page then your analysis was lazy AND bad. its just a fact dude.

That isn't what happened.  

[bankz]

Mar 29, 2021 11:46:29 GMT -5 Odin said:

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[20s]

Mar 29, 2021 11:48:32 GMT -5 bankz said:

Mar 29, 2021 11:37:44 GMT -5 20s said:

I'm not questioning the effort or work, I'm just letting you know it's wrong to call Green "not efficient" and McCray "very efficient" when they have been equally efficient this season.

There are 4 wings in the west with a per over 20 that are more efficient than McCray.  Sorry for labeling that "very efficient" 

There are 6 PF and 6 Centers with a per over 20 that as efficient a scorer or better (5 who didn't even make the list) sorry for labeling that "he's not very efficient" 

My effort in comparing like players must have been a bit confusing.  I'll take the blame on not making that clearer on the write out 

For the record, you didn’t say Green is “not very efficient”, you said “he’s not efficient”. 

And said McCray is “very efficient”. And they have the same pts/tsa. 

It’s okay to just admit when you’re wrong. I love people who are accountable. 

[bankz]

Mar 29, 2021 14:01:42 GMT -5 20s said:

Mar 29, 2021 11:48:32 GMT -5 bankz said:

There are 4 wings in the west with a per over 20 that are more efficient than McCray.  Sorry for labeling that "very efficient" 

There are 6 PF and 6 Centers with a per over 20 that as efficient a scorer or better (5 who didn't even make the list) sorry for labeling that "he's not very efficient" 

My effort in comparing like players must have been a bit confusing.  I'll take the blame on not making that clearer on the write out 

For the record, you didn’t say Green is “not very efficient”, you said “he’s not efficient”. 

And said McCray is “very efficient”. And they have the same pts/tsa. 

It’s okay to just admit when you’re wrong. I love people who are accountable. 

Sure 20s in that case I was wrong.  Deepest apologies