Sophomore Staircase - 3003 (928 views)

[TinyTimPig]

Mar 30, 2021 14:11:39 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Why did ol Ruland fall off I wonder?

- 10th in pts/tsa
- 8th in rebounds
- 30th in bleals

So he just barely cracks the top 10 in two of those categories, is awful on defense, and has the 6th most turnovers in the class.

[Dirt]

Same player as McHale just .6 less blocks I think per 36.

[Dirt]

Out of curiosity do you look at PER at all in the rankings?

[TinyTimPig]

Mar 30, 2021 15:10:45 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Same player as McHale just .6 less blocks I think per 36.

Lots of similarities but a 0.7 bleal per game difference in McHale's favor is significant.

[TinyTimPig]

Mar 30, 2021 15:15:25 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Out of curiosity do you look at PER at all in the rankings?

No.

[Dirt]

Mar 30, 2021 15:50:14 GMT -5 TinyTimPig said:

Mar 30, 2021 15:10:45 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Same player as McHale just .6 less blocks I think per 36.

Lots of similarities but a 0.7 bleal per game difference in McHale's favor is significant.

Yea I understand. I just think .7 per 36 is something so small I over-look it. 

I dont know what to think on PER. I think I look at pts/tsa than anything. 

I do look at minutes per game and what usage they have before what their per/36 shows.

[TinyTimPig]

Mar 30, 2021 16:13:15 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Mar 30, 2021 15:50:14 GMT -5 TinyTimPig said:

Lots of similarities but a 0.7 bleal per game difference in McHale's favor is significant.

Yea I understand. I just think .7 per 36 is something so small I over-look it. 

I dont know what to think on PER. I think I look at pts/tsa than anything. 

I do look at minutes per game and what usage they have before what their per/36 shows.

Pts/tsa is #1 for me as well. I usually sort the list there and determine who sort of fits into that top tier of well above average scorers. Once that's been determined, I'll go through and pay attention to their other stats to determine final ranking, but pts/tsa is the starting point.

Once I get past the good scorers, I start looking at guys who are really good at some things (e.g. Jawann Oldham) but it seems incredibly unlikely I'd have someone like him make the top half of any ranking due to the lack of scoring.

[Dirt]

With the amount of good bigs I'm starting to look more at FT% and rating to sort them out. Do you look at FT% at all?

[eric]

Mar 30, 2021 14:50:48 GMT -5 Herby New Year! said:

Bouie is both honorable mention and ranked. He's doubling up on accolades. I demand an investigation into this farce of a ranking system!

the HM is clearly teddy roosevelt bouie

[TinyTimPig]

Mar 30, 2021 16:18:12 GMT -5 Dirt said:

With the amount of good bigs I'm starting to look more at FT% and rating to sort them out. Do you look at FT% at all?

It's factored into pts/tsa, so not really.

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Mar 30, 2021 16:16:20 GMT -5 TinyTimPig said:

Mar 30, 2021 16:13:15 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Yea I understand. I just think .7 per 36 is something so small I over-look it. 

I dont know what to think on PER. I think I look at pts/tsa than anything. 

I do look at minutes per game and what usage they have before what their per/36 shows.

Pts/tsa is #1 for me as well. I usually sort the list there and determine who sort of fits into that top tier of well above average scorers. Once that's been determined, I'll go through and pay attention to their other stats to determine final ranking, but pts/tsa is the starting point.

Once I get past the good scorers, I start looking at guys who are really good at some things (e.g. Jawann Oldham) but it seems incredibly unlikely I'd have someone like him make the top half of any ranking due to the lack of scoring.

Yep. Just have to make another pass to capture defensive/no-shoot players, but then I just sort by blocks lol

[TinyTimPig]

Mar 30, 2021 16:19:10 GMT -5 eric said:

Mar 30, 2021 14:50:48 GMT -5 Herby New Year! said:

Bouie is both honorable mention and ranked. He's doubling up on accolades. I demand an investigation into this farce of a ranking system!

the HM is clearly teddy roosevelt bouie

Wtf no it isn’t 

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[Herby New Year!]

78k

[bankz]

75K 

After the discussion in shout.  I've changed my thinking and my vote is now 75K 

[Trofie]

Change my 75 to 90k

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[TinyTimPig]

Update Schedule: Sims 3, 6, 9, 12

3003 - Sim 12 Update

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10. Joe Barry Carroll - Chicago Stags (previous: NR)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: NR

Season Per-36:

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
Joe Barry Carroll	C	26.9	11.6	3.2	1.3	1.1	2.7	.488	.634	.000	1.051	22.7

Summary: I went outside the box here and projected a little bit in giving Carroll the 10 spot. We've seen enough growth between year one and year two that Carroll might just be a solid player with one more decent TC. He still has a camp left which could be used to make his already very good rebounding a bit better or reduce his turnovers.

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9. James Ray - Texas Chaparrals (previous: 7)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: NR

Season Per-36:

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
James Ray	PF	20.4	9.2	1.2	1.0	0.3	1.6	.546	.733	.000	1.189	18.5

Summary: Second in efficiency and no turnover issues but doesn't offer a ton by way of rebounding or defense. Solid third big.

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8. Jawann Oldham - Minnesota Timberwolves (previous: 8)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 9

Season Per-36:

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
Jawann Oldham	C	8.1	11.9	3.0	1.2	2.1	2.6	.428	.617	.000	0.941	11.9

Summary: I think some teams might shy away from Oldham due to his high turnovers, which seem uncharacteristic for someone who only shoots five times per game, but he's an elite defender and very good rebounder. You have to love the durability too as Oldham has already played the equivalent of a full season and two playoff series with 94 games played on the year.

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7. Rick Mahorn - Indiana Pacers (previous: 6)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: T-5

Season Per-36:

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
Rick Mahorn	PF	22.7	12.7	1.6	1.2	0.6	2.0	.506	.720	.000	1.110	20.9

Summary: Mahorn's calling card is his rebounding, where he ranks first in the class, and he doesn't have turnover issues. However, he currently ranks 12th in efficiency in the class which knocks him down a peg.

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6. Roosevelt Bouie - Indiana Pacers (previous: 5)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36: 

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
Roosevelt Bouie	C	23.4	10.8	1.9	1.0	0.8	2.3	.548	.687	.000	1.159	20.9

Summary: Real tight race behind "Ba Ba Bouie" and Mahorn, but efficiency is king and that's one area that's not really close between the two players. If you prefer rebounding to scoring, then maybe you switch these two.

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5. Wes Matthews Sr. - Los Angeles Clippers (previous: 7)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: HM

Season Per-36:

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
Wes Matthews Sr.	PG	18.1	3.3	10.1	1.2	0.2	3.8	.498	.904	.474	1.164	17.8

Summary: Matthews sees a huge jump for me due to keeping his efficiency up all season. Looks like Dirt is starting to invest in his handles which will help the TOs, though defense and rebounding look like they'll always be a liability.

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4. Kevin McHale - Cleveland Cavaliers (previous: 4)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 1

Season Per-36:

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
Kevin McHale	PF	30.6	10.8	3.5	1.1	1.0	3.2	.509	.774	.000	1.135	25.7

Summary: Big drop off after the top three. McHale's biggest weak spot is in his turnovers, but overall he's slightly above average everywhere else that matters for a big.

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3. Michael Brooks - Brooklyn Nets (previous: 3)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 3

Season Per-36:

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
Michael Brooks	SF	25.8	9.3	3.0	1.0	0.2	2.3	.535	.725	.000	1.139	21.8

Summary: Shout yesterday made me realize that some have a few issues with Brooks as some said "he's a power forward playing small forward", which was meant to disparage him, but I think it's a compliment. He rebounds better than a lot of bigs and scores with solid efficiency.

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2. Kiki Vandeweghe - Carolina Cougars (previous: 2)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: 2

Season Per-36:

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
Kiki Vandeweghe	SF	22.4	6.9	3.6	0.8	0.2	1.6	.535	.847	.390	1.173	19.9

Summary: Kiki's efficiency has continued to drop which is a bit worrisome as he now ranks only fourth in the class, but I still have more faith in him having a long career than anyone else on the ladder except for Smith. 

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1. Larry Smith - Brooklyn Nets (previous: 1)

Rookie Ladder Final Ranking: T-5

Season Per-36:

Name	Position	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Blocks	Turnovers	FG%	FT%	3P%	Pts/TSA	PER
Larry Smith	PF	24.7	12.4	4.2	1.1	0.7	2.3	.543	.797	.538	1.208	24.9

Summary: Has now separated himself from the pack as the most efficient player in the class and adds elite rebounding. Tacking on a good number of assists per game for a big man may help with some future all-league selections as well.

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Honorable Mentions:

Point Guards:

Dave Britton
Kelvin Ransey
Larry Drew Sr.

Wings:

Andrew Toney
Bruce Collins
Craig Shelton
Darrell Griffith
Mike O'Koren

Bigs:

Jeff Ruland
Lavon Mercer
Wayne Robinson

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can i vote bout tree fiddy k

[Dirt]

Saying Oldham is better than Toney is like people wanting coke over dr.pepper

[TinyTimPig]

Apr 3, 2021 12:14:06 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Saying Oldham is better than Toney is like people wanting coke over dr.pepper

What is Toney good at?

[Dirt]

Oldham more turnovers than blocks.
Toney great at scoring and a young wing

[TinyTimPig]

Apr 3, 2021 12:18:00 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Oldham more turnovers than blocks.
Toney great at scoring and a young wing

I don't consider 16th in the class and 88th in the league "great at scoring."

[Dirt]

Playing in an outside offense. I don't care about 16th in class derp derp whatever. I'd rather have Toney than Oldham.

That's why I said coke vs dr.pepper some people would rather have a 3rd big instead of a nice starting 2 guard.

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[TinyTimPig]

Apr 3, 2021 12:26:22 GMT -5 Dirt said:

Playing in an outside offense. I don't care about 16th in class derp derp whatever. I'd rather have Toney than Oldham.

That's why I said coke vs dr.pepper some people would rather have a 3rd big instead of a nice starting 2 guard.

So you just “derp derp” the fact that his career efficiency is right about the same as Zam Fredrick II, Chase Harler, and Andrew Andrews?

Interesting take. 

[Dirt]

I believe usage plays a factor and you don't..that's a weird take

[TinyTimPig]

Apr 3, 2021 15:34:49 GMT -5 Dirt said:

I believe usage plays a factor and you don't..that's a weird take

If a guy is going to take a lot of shots I'd prefer that he make them.

[Dirt]

He shoots 48% in an outside offense